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Swedish rite in English

The Church of Sweden last December approved a Service of blessing for registered partnership.

You can read the English translation of this text, by going to Kelvin Holdsworth’s blog. (It’s a small PDF file.)

Here’s the news report from last December: Church of Sweden gives gay couples church blessing.

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Laurence Roberts
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Laurence Roberts

Well done the LC of S !

And to think this Church is ‘in Communion’ with the C of E–and therefore the entire AC presumably !

I couldnt open the pdf file, myself, so am left wondering–but the taster was interesting.

NP
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NP

Looks like the ABC is going to have to kick this lot out too (I mean, ask them to comply with Windsor)

kieran crichton
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kieran crichton

How remarkable that, the colder the climate, the easier it seems to be to just get on with letting people be people.

Perhaps the Anglican Communion should start learning to communicate in Swedish…

mynsterpreost (=David Rowett)
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mynsterpreost (=David Rowett)

Ah, how the kingdom-building dreams of the ConsEvs flourish – now NP wants to excommunicate and discipline the Church of Sweden!

Anyone for hubris?

Göran Koch-Swahne
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The PDF opened all right, but the first page is blank unless one scrolls down a bit…

Seriously, the remarkable thing here is the re-introduction of the Mass. The 1811 Handbook did away with that for the Vigsel, the church ceremony.

We have had calvos here too… they ruled the State and tried to rule the Church ;=)

drdanfee
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drdanfee

Many thanks to all in Swedish society and church who help show us another way forward, living together, and – gasp – worshipping together.

What a blessing to be gay and gay-friendly in just our own era. It matters.

Thank goodness, thank God.

JPM
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JPM

>>>Looks like the ABC is going to have to kick this lot out too

Maybe Rowan could just send one of his Nigerian overlords to Sweden to cast the demons out of them all.

Dennis
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a very nice service. I hope that someone takes a good look at it when we, as Americans, start revising the 1979 BCP. Although perhaps by then the fights will be all over and the next generation not need two different marriage services but be back to having only one for straight and gay/lesbian Christians. Looking at rates of acceptance and opinions for the under 40 crowd versus the over 40 crowd, I would think that what we could gently call generational change will bring us there in 15 to 20 years. But until that happy point is reached for… Read more »

Cheryl Clough
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It’s a little bit of a hyperbole (sorry Simon et al) but the Nordic people are demonstrating leadership in other ways too.

For example, this article from Ekklesia http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/content/news_syndication/article_060111norway.shtml

There are some countries that are doing a better job of recognising idolatry (e.g. State control and worship) or hypocrisy (e.g. imposed celibacy for GLBTs but not heterosexuals).

James
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James

Just to make a little, picky point–the vows don’t include an explicit reference to sexualy exclusivity. There is no “forsaking all others” clause as there would be in a heterosexual marriage. There have been gay thinkers which have suggested a “non-monogamy monogamy” which believes that open relationships can fit under the heading of “faithful.” I think a Christian blessing should include a vow of lifelong sexual exclusivity, whether the blessing is for a gay or straight relationship. But I absolutely support blessings for gay marriage which include sexual exclusivity.

simon dawson
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James, Just one question about your posting – “But I absolutely support blessings for gay marriage which include sexual exclusivity.” I don’t disagree with you that a strong argument can be made for the benefits of sexual exlusivity within a relationship. But I admit that for myself that argument comes not from my faith, but from my personal experience, both my own experience, and witnessing the experiences of my friends. But on what do you base your argument James, your own experiences and beliefs, or on your understanding of Christian teaching and theology? For if we were to go to… Read more »

NP
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NP

Mynster – I don’t like hubris.

My favourite word at the moment is “Tanzania!”

JCF
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JCF

Ah there you go, mynsterpreost, bursting my bubble: NP is so much easier to read, if you don’t notice the byline (and can thus take it as appropriate Anglican *facetiousness*! ;-/)

Good on ya, Swedes!

cryptogram
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cryptogram

Come on, NP, you missed trick there.
“Hubris” is a concept from Greek pagan religion. IIRC those who commit it find themselves pursued by the Furies, winged females girded with snakes. I’m sure you could think of some suitable parallel…;-)

mynsterpreost (=David Rowett)
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mynsterpreost (=David Rowett)

Crowing, “Tanzania” sounds a pretty good example of hubris at work to me!

I wonder whether the Tanzanian meeting re-run would be quite the same, now that the world has woken up to the Nigerian legislation, and +Harare’s complicity in the Zimbabwean catasrophy makes the pure and impeccably upright African Christian tradition look rather tarnished. Would the reaffirmers get such a compliant audience against the current backdrop?

When even the reasserters are looking for long spoons with which to sup with ++Abuja, “Tanzania!” may come back to haunt them.

Swedish Lutheran
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Swedish Lutheran

Very proud to be a member of the Church of Sweden, but you cannot believe how the conservative wing of the church has been bitching about this blessing ceremony. Thankfully we have a number of progressive bishops, most of all former archbishop KG Hammar (1998-2006).

Göran Koch-Swahne
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You are evil, aren’t you, James? The will to mis-represent and bear false witness to your neighbour seems without end. Were a pre-Tridentine church. We don’t have your “forsaking all others”. And that is how things will continue in these lands. The “… to live in trust and love…” or alternately “It means being faithful to each other…” comes at the very beginning of the ceremony, in the Allocution. Trust = trohet, which means both “faith” and “faithfulness”. This Allocution is brought forth from the 1529 Manual, the first Swedish language one, a translation of the 13th century formulas. Originally… Read more »

NP
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NP

crypto – sorry, I am lost mythology

mynster – I am tired of saying it but I can be against corrupt bishops in Zim and against the Nigerian legislation but for the traditional, orthodox reading of scripture – in fact exactly that reading will lead me to be against the first two.

James
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James

Simon, one of the arguments against gay blessings is that we must rework traditional sexual morality in order to include gays. Traditional marriage rites have included “forsaking all others, ’til death do us part.” I don’t think that should be changed for gays or straights. What you’re suggesting is what people are afraid of–the inclusion of gays implies a watering down of sexual standards. I don’t think that gay inclusion means changing the rules–both gay and straight couples should vow to be lifelong, sexually exclusive partners to each other. I don’t think the church should split over gay inclusion, but… Read more »

Laurence Roberts...
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Laurence Roberts...

James, life long monogamy, has already been replaced (if it ever existed), in the C of E and TEC (etc) by ‘serial monogamy’, which, as we all know, is not monogamy at all. Evangelical and conservative believers are as caught up in divorce and ‘re-marriage’ as any other churchmanship.The Church has accomodated itself to this, in practice, on the ground. As you have not left the church to date, perhaps you never will. I note that the heterosexual mainstream (if you will pardon the expression) always tries to attribute its own ambivalence and diversity of sexual and relationship patterns and… Read more »

JCF
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JCF

Goran,

I very much *appreciate* your history of Swedish liturgics—but I don’t think your attack on James’ intentions is warranted. As someone who is all too often “guilty” of simple ignorance myself, I think I know the difference between ignorance and malevolence. (i.e., “the one who is not against us, is for us”! ;-/)

Cheryl Clough
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Laurence I must admit that I mourn serial monogamy. I think it represents a generation (or more) of humanity that have become emotionally disposessed. I applaud that violent and abusive relationships can end safely, but would rather that the abuse never occurred in the first place. I regret that the expectations of life long relationships are so severely hampered, that the engagements of relationships have become yet another commodity to be traded in the market place, and that economically there are huge hurdles towards extended families that are loyal to each other. That loyalty in part being between two spouses,… Read more »

Erika Baker
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Erika Baker

Cheryl, I claim no real knowledge, but I remember some statistics that Victorian marriage lasted on average as long as today’s. Isn’t it also true that different life expectancies and economic realities determine the length of a “life long” marriage? I claim special interest – I am divorced myself, after a marriage of 20 years. I don’t see my marriage as a failure but as something that was a success for many years but then came to an end (and, no, it were not shallow reasons that caused the end, although I will not elaborate!). It’s not a case of… Read more »

James
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James

What you say about serial monogamy may be true, but you prove the point–you goal is not inclusion of gays, your goal is using the inclusion of gays to change sexual standards for everybody. I believe gays should be welcomed into the church and offered the same blessings currently offered to straight couples–and be accountable to the same standards as straight couples. You believe that gays should be welcomed into the church, and that we should at the same time, change the requirements for sexual exclusivity and permanance in marriage. In doing so, you are equating “gay” with “sexual freedom,”… Read more »

Cheryl Clough
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Erika

I hope you mourn the loss of that first marriage, I know I do mine.

The imagery of the jewel matches a study that went up on http://www.torah.org today http://www.torah.org/learning/women/class68.html

My prayers are that you and others find it interesting. One of the things I love about the Jews is that they acknowledge that if their women had not gone out into the fields, their faith (and thus knowledge of God) would have died before God’s time to annoint Moses to lead them out of slavery.

Göran Koch-Swahne
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Carl-Bertil Ytterberg Bishop of Västerås, speaking on behalf of the Central Church Board, today announces that the Church of Sweden is willing to perform legally binding ceremonies/registrations of Partnerships in Church. Today registrations of Partnerships are made separately, whereas a regular marriage ceremony in church also gives access to the legal provisions of the Marriage Act. The move conforms to the expected Proposals of the Revised (= “gender neutral”) Marriage Law Committee, to be made public next Wednesday 21st of March. +Ytterberg says he wants the term “äktenskap”, marriage to continue to refer to two-gender marriages only – but as… Read more »