on Friday, 27 June 2008 at 4.37 pm by Peter Owen
categorised as Opinion
John Bryson Chane (Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington DC) writes in The GuardianThe framing of mutual joy where he argues that “Our church’s evolving attitude has led us to the point where we must consider gay marriage”.
This is an insightful paper, especially the part about whether this is a fallen world and sex a symptom of our fallen state. Or is this a desired world, and sexuality a manifestation that we are desired and to desire this world. If one can not love in this reality, can one then claim to love in another level of reality? If one can not be in a long-term committed relationship with its good and its bad times, blessings and foibles; then how can one claim to love unconditionally? Jung said that we learn about ourselves through our interactions with… Read more »
The right-wing claim that they do not hate homosexuals, only homosexuality will always ring hollow so long as they deny the possibility of family life to LGBTs. Their admission fee into church for the same-sex oriented is celibacy. The same Roman Church that subjects postulants for holy orders to batteries of tests, psychological and otherwise, before they take vows, requires celibacy as a matter of course for LGBTs. They are laying burdens on the backs of others that they are unwilling to bear themselves. Their position would have more credibility if they left behind spouses and children, abandoned all family… Read more »
Ford Elms
15 years ago
“The right-wing claim that they do not hate homosexuals, only homosexuality will always ring hollow so long as they deny the possibility of family life to LGBTs.” Actually, counterlight, it’ll ring hollow as long as they keep spouting hatred in practically everything they say, refuse to even try to understand how obvious it is, and defend their right to hateful rantings as somehow and act of “love” designed to urge gay people to salvation. It baffles me how anyone can say “I don’t hate you, I just believe that God does not want you to behave in this fashion, but… Read more »
drdanfee
15 years ago
Our famously traditional Anglican views tend towards the comprehensive, both bedrock in frame and worked out in specific domains like understanding marriage. That is, some things change, and some continue. Evolution does not by definition undo all that went before, barring ecological catastrophes, and the changing scene that is our panoply of living life both continues and changes. Truly, some changes are dead-end dangerous, and some instances of no change are dead-end deadly. A famous caution warns us not to always put new wine in old wineskins. So. We struggle mightily to know the distinctions, individually and together in many… Read more »
Good for him.
This is an insightful paper, especially the part about whether this is a fallen world and sex a symptom of our fallen state. Or is this a desired world, and sexuality a manifestation that we are desired and to desire this world. If one can not love in this reality, can one then claim to love in another level of reality? If one can not be in a long-term committed relationship with its good and its bad times, blessings and foibles; then how can one claim to love unconditionally? Jung said that we learn about ourselves through our interactions with… Read more »
The right-wing claim that they do not hate homosexuals, only homosexuality will always ring hollow so long as they deny the possibility of family life to LGBTs. Their admission fee into church for the same-sex oriented is celibacy. The same Roman Church that subjects postulants for holy orders to batteries of tests, psychological and otherwise, before they take vows, requires celibacy as a matter of course for LGBTs. They are laying burdens on the backs of others that they are unwilling to bear themselves. Their position would have more credibility if they left behind spouses and children, abandoned all family… Read more »
“The right-wing claim that they do not hate homosexuals, only homosexuality will always ring hollow so long as they deny the possibility of family life to LGBTs.” Actually, counterlight, it’ll ring hollow as long as they keep spouting hatred in practically everything they say, refuse to even try to understand how obvious it is, and defend their right to hateful rantings as somehow and act of “love” designed to urge gay people to salvation. It baffles me how anyone can say “I don’t hate you, I just believe that God does not want you to behave in this fashion, but… Read more »
Our famously traditional Anglican views tend towards the comprehensive, both bedrock in frame and worked out in specific domains like understanding marriage. That is, some things change, and some continue. Evolution does not by definition undo all that went before, barring ecological catastrophes, and the changing scene that is our panoply of living life both continues and changes. Truly, some changes are dead-end dangerous, and some instances of no change are dead-end deadly. A famous caution warns us not to always put new wine in old wineskins. So. We struggle mightily to know the distinctions, individually and together in many… Read more »