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New Westminster court decision

Updated Friday

The Vancouver Sun reports Anglican diocese retains ownership of four disputed church properties.

The Anglican diocese of the Lower Mainland will be able to retain ownership of four disputed parish properties worth more than $20 million, the B.C. Supreme Court ruled today.

Justice Stephen Kelleher decided against conservative Anglican dissidents who went to court claiming they deserve to have legal control of St. John’s Shaughnessy Anglican Church in Vancouver — one of the largest Anglican congregations in Canada — as well as three other Lower Mainland church properties…

The Diocese of New Westminster issued a press release, and also published the full text of the judgment as a PDF file.

See A Statement from the Chancellor of the Anglican Diocese of New Westminster.

Reasons for Judgment is a PDF of Justice Kelleher’s decision.

The Anglican Network in Canada also isssued a press release, titled BC Supreme Court issues mixed decision in church property dispute.

Update

Bishop Michael Ingham has issued a pastoral letter. It includes this paragraph:

…I intend to invite these congregations to remain in the buildings where they worship and to move forward together with us in the Diocese as one people under God. I intend to appoint new clergy who will respect and continue the worshipping style of the congregations, who will also work cooperatively with me and the Diocese…

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Father Ron Smith
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Father Ron Smith

“The clergy and trustees at the four conservative parishes left the 600,000-member Anglican Church of Canada last year and joined a smaller conservative breakaway organization called the anglican Network in Canada, with about 3,500 members.” – Vancouver Sun – And this, I guess, is the reason for their schism which has resulted in the present judgement against them. The big question now is: How is the Province of the Southern Cone, in South America, going to relate the this newly-impoverished Daughter-Church? Will the dissidents now return to their more inclusive Church in Canada? It will be interesting to hear the… Read more »

Pluralist
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“In recent years, the ACoC’s governing body has changed church doctrine to the dismay of the global Anglican Communion,” says the Anglican Network in Canada.

No it didn’t. They don’t give up easily, do they?

Andrew Carey
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Andrew Carey

I’m not sure it has anything to do with Southern Cone now, my understanding is that the New Westminster so-called ‘dissidents’ are under the leadership of Archbishop Duncan.

Simon Sarmiento
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From the Anglican Network’s home page:

The Anglican Network in Canada (ANiC) is a diocese in the Anglican Church in North America and part of the global Fellowship of Confessing Anglicans which affirms the Jerusalem Declaration. ANiC also remains affiliated with the Anglican Province of the Southern Cone, one of 38 provinces in the global Anglican Communion.

http://www.anglicannetwork.ca/

anthony
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anthony

A foot in every door. They will probably try to join the new Ordinariate as well. As the old song said: “I am Protestant and Catholic and Free!”

Robert Ian williams
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Robert Ian williams

So why has the Anglican network in canada gone along with” doctrinal ” changes on divorce, contraception and women?

Father Ron Smith
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Father Ron Smith

“While many Anglicans around the world disagree with the blessings, the ACC continues to be the only ecclesial body in Canada that is a member of the Anglican Communion (as the Archbishop of Canterbury stated last year in connection with the dispute).” – ACC Defence Statement – Whatever happens now, the case for the Diocese of New Westminster has this definitive statement to back up it’s claim to be the lawful owner of any properties in the parishes which are party to the dispute. A.N.i.C. is NOT part of the Anglican Communion, per se, neither is it’s partner-in-schism, the so-called… Read more »

Simon Sarmiento
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Comments on this thread should be about the Canadian situation, and not about other topics.

I have removed one published comment accordingly.

Malcolm+
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In compliance with Simon’s admonition to keep this focused on the Canadian situation:

The schismatics trumpeting their victory on a couple of minor points while trying to depict the outcome as a tie is rather like the coffee table conversations in Montreal on Monday morning when Alouettes fans try to explain away their loss in the Grey Cup.

Go Riders!

Rev L Roberts
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Rev L Roberts

It gives me no pleasure to see friends listed among the plaintiffs (hope I got that word right. I don’t know how it can ever have come to this. I always hoped that as more people got to know gay individuals, couples and families we would be accepted as the ordinary folk we are (only one head per person etc). But this litigation has proved me wrong in at least one painful instance. Yet religon is alone now in justifying a negative view of us gays– the other professions etc having recently desisted. Or do doctors, teachers etc just disemble… Read more »

dodgey_viar
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dodgey_viar

I am touched by the Bishop’s desire to retain those who would not co-operate with him

Chris Smith
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Chris Smith

I find Rev. L. Roberts to be on target. This is EXACTLY why these homophobes and haters who call themselves followers of Christ must be taken on at EVERY curve and fought until justice prevails. It;s time to EXPOSE them! Nothing less will do. Fear must NOT stop us. These “Christian” fundamentalists are NOT our friends. They ONLY wish us harm and we must not act foolish by just sitting back. We too must fight against their violent and hate filled attacks. Yes, we must always try to love our neighbors but we must also NOT let them destroy us!

shaun ross
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shaun ross

I feel that perhaps this blog has become dominated by a certain readership which refuses to hear even the potentially legitimate claims of the “schismatics” and “defectors” and their “hate filled attacks.” As a former member of St. John’s Shaughnessy I must insist that it is important not to lump Canadian dissenting churches with homophobia in Africa, or to make the claim that because these churches draw some support from conservative diocese, that they must ascribe to every homophobic gesture made in those regions. This is a fallacious attack by association; the company you keep does not determine your integrity.… Read more »

Ann Marie Nicklin
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Shaun, I have been puzzled in the past by the seeming equation of support of same-sex marriage with denial of the bodily resurrection of Christ. One of my colleagues came up to me fuming mad over a statement made in New West last Easter to that effect. He then proceeded to paint me with the same stance. I pointed out to him and I will point out to you that the two are not related. I would say that the vast majority of our members of the local Integrity believe in the bodily resurrection of Christ. I am aware that… Read more »

Jerry Hannon
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Jerry Hannon

“…it is important not to lump Canadian dissenting churches with homophobia in Africa, or to make the claim that because these churches draw some support from conservative diocese, that they must ascribe to every homophobic gesture made in those regions. This is a fallacious attack by association; the company you keep does not determine your integrity….I personally feel a deep shame and sadness for comments made by certain members of my “conservative” community which dehumanize homosexuals.” – Shaun Ross I am grateful for the temperate statements by Mr. Ross, but what I fear he does not appreciate is that hate-filled… Read more »

Shaun
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Shaun

Ann Marie, I in no way wanted to suggest that the two positions, being in favour of same-sex marriage and believing in the resurrection of christ, are mutually exclusive positions. Just that in the case of New Westminister, the basis for the arguments about same-sex blessing have been made with the same kind of assumptions that promote a weak theology of a symbolic Jesus. Thus the reason we should accept gay marriage is presented as “scripture and doctrine as a whole are fundamentally subordinate to how we feel about a certain issue, we feel very strongly about this persecuted and… Read more »

Rev L Roberts
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Rev L Roberts

Surely, same sex relationships and marriage bear witness to the Resurrection of the Body and the Life of the age to Come.

Father Ron Smith
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Father Ron Smith

“the company you keep does not determine your integrity.” – Shaun Ross, on Tuesday – Precisely, Shaun – in that those who support the LGBT cause do not necessarily, nor even generally, deny the physical Resuurrection of Jesus. This is an esoteric theological matter which is determined by ‘faith alone’. Arguments about the Resurrection phenomenon have been in vogue since the beginning of the Church, but one’s Baptismal Covenant still requires assent to ‘Resurrection of Christ from the Dead’ – whatever one’s understanding of this may be. It should not, however prevent one from affirming the validity of the LGBT… Read more »