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Women in the Episcopate – Archbishops' Amendment – the text

Updated to include (below the fold) the text of the measure after amendment
Updated Thursday evening to correct extent of struck through text below the fold

The Archbishops have today released the text of their proposed amendments to the Women in the Episcopate legislation. We have copied this below.

We have put the text of the draft measure online here. There is also a pdf version available from the CofE website.

We linked to the Archbishops’ original announcement of their proposals here.

General Synod Draft Legislation: Women in the Episcopate amendments

Thursday 01 July 2010

The Archbishops of Canterbury and York have submitted the following amendments to the Draft Bishops and Priests (Consecration and Ordination of Women) Measure, GS1708A, to be considered at the forthcoming July sessions of the General Synod of the Church of England.

DRAFT BISHOPS AND PRIESTS (CONSECRATION AND ORDINATION OF WOMEN) MEASURE

Draft amendments to omit reference to delegation

Co-ordinate Jurisdiction

Clause 2

1. In subsection (1) leave out the words “way of delegation to”.

2. After subsection (1) insert –

“(2) The episcopal ministry referred to in subsections (1), (3) and (5) shall be exercisable by virtue of this section and shall not divest the bishop of the diocese of any of his or her functions.

Clause 5

In section 5(1)(b), at the end, insert the words “and, in particular, arrangements for co-ordinating the exercise of episcopal ministry under section 2(1), (3) and (5) by the bishop of the diocese and any other bishop who exercises episcopal ministry in accordance with those subsections”.

+Rowan Cantuar +Sentamu Ebor

We show below the fold the effect of these amendments on the text of the measure.

Here are the relevant sections of the measure showing the effect of the archbishops’ amendments. Deleted text is struck through and added text is in bold

2 Duty of diocesan bishop to make arrangements

(1) The bishop of each diocese shall be under a duty to make and publish a scheme containing arrangements in his or her diocese for the exercise by way of delegation to a male bishop who is a member of the House of Bishops of the diocesan synod of that or another diocese of episcopal ministry which appears to the bishop of the diocese to relate to —

(a) the celebration of the sacraments and other divine service in parishes which request such arrangements in accordance with section 3, or

(b) the provision of pastoral care to the clergy and parishioners in those parishes.

(2) The episcopal ministry referred to in subsections (1), (3) and (5) shall be exercisable by virtue of this section and shall not divest the bishop of the diocese of any of his or her functions.

(3) A scheme made under this section may include such additional arrangements for the exercise of episcopal ministry as the bishop of the diocese thinks fit.

(5) Where a scheme made under this section includes a statement by the bishop that he will not ordain women to the office of priest, the scheme shall make provision —

(a) for the ordination of female candidates for the office of priest, and

(b) for the support of the ministry of clergy who are women and their pastoral care.

5 Code of Practice

(1) The House of Bishops shall draw up, and promulgate, guidance in a Code of Practice as to —

(a) the making of schemes under section 2,

(b) the exercise of episcopal ministry in accordance with the arrangements contained in such schemes and, in particular, arrangements for co-ordinating the exercise of episcopal ministry under section 2(1), (3) and (5) by the bishop of the diocese and any other bishop who exercises episcopal ministry in accordance with those subsections,

(c) the exercise, by those involved in the making of an appointment of an incumbent of and a priest in charge for a benefice, of their functions in that regard where a Letter of Request is issued under section 3(3),

(d) the matters referred to in section 2(5), and

(e) such other matters as the House of Bishops considers appropriate to give effect to this Measure.

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Pantycelyn
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Pantycelyn

Thanks for setting it all out so clearly and helpfully for us.

susan hedges
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susan hedges

Yes, thanks, Peter. It still is undesirable, but at least more clearly undesirable. . .

John B. Chilton
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Those who were expecting that the amendment would clear up what the archbishops said earlier about their (then) not produced amendment must be disappointed.

The changes here are so incremental you’d think they meant very little if anything. In short, these amendments mean whatever the archbishops said they would mean.

Simon Sarmiento
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FiF has posted an article headed: Catholic Group reacts to Archbishops’ amendments http://www.forwardinfaith.com/artman/publish/article_511.shtml A STATEMENT ISSUED BY THE CATHOLIC GROUP IN GENERAL SYNOD We welcome the publication of these amendments by the Archbishops and recognise that they may provide a framework for a way forward for the Church of England. Their availability in advance of General Synod next week will enable all Members of the Synod to evaluate, consult, reflect and prayerfully consider the implications of the amendments. There are a number of areas of uncertainty, including the need for all bishops to be real leaders in mission and ministry.… Read more »

4 May 1535+
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4 May 1535+

The Catholic Group are clearly in a painful position, one I don’t mean to make light of. It does seem to me, however, that position grows out of some fuzzy thinking dating back to the 16th century. The thing is, there is no real scriptural justification for separating out the exercise of authority by women in the Church from the exercise of authority by women in society at large. John Knox realized this and used it as an argument against Queen Mary in _The Monstrous Regiment of Women_ (though the book was awkwardly not published until the reign of Elizabeth);… Read more »

Simon Sarmiento
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Church Society has today issued this letter:
http://www.churchsociety.org/press/pr_2010-07_SynodLetter.htm

Open Letter
1 July 2010
Legislation to consecrate women as Bishops
To members of the General Synod
June 2010

We write to you as the Council of Church Society in advance of your further consideration of the legislation to consecrate women as Bishops.

We believe that God’s will, revealed in Scripture, is that leadership in the Church should be exercised by men. In the practice of the Church of England, as it has developed, this means that presbyters (priests) and bishops should be male. We therefore reiterate our opposition to the proposed legislation…

Simon Sarmiento
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Reform issued this note about the forthcoming debate http://www.anglican-mainstream.net/2010/06/30/resources-for-the-debate-over-women-bishops/ …Alasdair Paine has written a very helpful briefing paper for his own PCC and this can be downloaded from the Reform web site – http://www.reform.org.uk/pdf/womenbsps.pdf Lorna Ashworth has written a booklet ‘Beyond Equal Rights. Women and Men in the Church. This has been sent to all members of General Synod. She writes: ‘with regards to this issue I have come to firmly believe that this is not about gender injustice, but about how God, in his perfect wisdom, has chosen to order His Church. For me, this has been a liberating… Read more »

bobinswpa
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bobinswpa

“Beyond Equal rights,” yuck.

Pantycelyn
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Pantycelyn

There seems to be a wish, both to have; and not to have women in the ordained ministries, especially the episcopate.

It can’t be had both ways. You can’t both remain virgin and have intercourse.

Something’s gotta give …

Rosalind
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Rosalind

This is “looking glass” legislation where words mean what anyone wants them to mean – this of course, is the hope of the ABs – that the words wil allow a mojorioty to vote for the amendment, all reading it slightly differently. But it is eitehr naive, disingenous or irresponsilbe to sugges tha these are minor amendments when they try to redefine episcopacy./ All that will hapnen if it is passsed is tha the arguments of the Revision committee wil be repeated when the Code of practice is worked on, and it will not be possible to agree. here are… Read more »

Father Ron Smith
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Father Ron Smith

“There are a number of areas of uncertainty, including the need for all bishops to be real leaders in mission and ministry. It is also vital that we are able to hold a principled theological position, looking to the faith and order of the undivided Church. – F.i.F. response – The phrase “looking to the faith and order of the undivided Church” is a little bit ingenuous in the circumstances. One might ask ‘Why are F.i.F. people still in the Church of England, which was/is a product of the Reformation, which separated the C.of E. out from Rome in the… Read more »

Una Kroll
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These amendments enshrine systemic injustice towards women in a subtle way, but that subtlety is exposed by some of the conclusions of those who support the archbishops. The Church of England has included laity in it’s decision making structures – at long lost, some of us said when it happened – laity who are baptised Christians just as men are – anointed in the same Holy Spirit as men are – thank God for both I say. Sudden removal of the exercise of authority from one section of an episcopate is a sign of profound distrust in their consecration as… Read more »

Ed Tomlinson
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I am with Panycelyn on this one. You really cannot have it both ways and only misery can follow any fudge. No matter how you dress it up there must be a loser in this one….hence I am wise enought to see that the game is up for me. How nice it would be to have an honest church that helped me move elsewhere with generosity. Instead I will be asked to pretend the unworkable will work and treated as deeply dishonourable when I do the only reasonable thing and leave holding the views that I do. It is particularly… Read more »

riazat
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riazat

Hello
What are the archbishops actually proposing? In English? In my defence, I was off work for 10 weeks and am looking at this, scratching my head…

Terence Dear
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Terence Dear

I have followed the links above to the various articles and am still bemused by the whimsicality of the arguments put forward by the anti brigade. “God has given a beautiful pattern for family life”. What rot! The fictional account of adam and eve was written to explain the existing patriarchal system then extant. The original Hebrew describes eve as a spiritual mentor, not a dutiful wife. Family life was imposed as punishment and God remains antipathetical to family life throughout the rest of the Bible. What we now know that the early Hebrews didn’t is that all human beings… Read more »

Hannah
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Hannah

@ Fr Ed, I agree that this is unworkable, but I for one would not regard you as in any way dishonourable if you have come to feel that the mind of the Church as expressed through Synod is such that you could no longer stay and minister in our Church. I wish that there were a way we could do this that would satisfy the consciences and theological convictions of all sides of the debate, but I suspect that it this is simply not possible. The thing I regret most deeply about the debate is that we are modelling… Read more »

Perry Butler
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Perry Butler

I do find the Church Society’s paper odd. If the ordination of women to the presbyterate, let alone the episcopate, is clearly contrary to the expressed will of God, how can they remain in such an apostate institution? How will an Evangelical PEV help? He will have to be consecrated by “apostate” Bible denying Archbishops who have flouted Gods word!….all these zealous young men will be entering an apostate church where within 20 yrs probably 40% or more of the clergy will be women, prob 10% 0f the episcopate and 10% of male priests will have been ordained by women… Read more »

Benedict
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Benedict

As I read comment after comment on this website, I continue to be staggered at both the lack of understanding, or even attempts to understand, the theology and ecclesiology lying behind the arguments of the traditionalists. In one fell swoop they are summarily dismissed. There is clearly no real desire at all on the part of liberals in our Church to engage with deep theological thinking. It is like watching a pack of hounds descend on a fox whenever anyone on this website dares to speak up for something that regular liberal contrbutors do not agree with. I myself was… Read more »

Cynthia Gilliatt
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Cynthia Gilliatt

“It is also vital that we are able to hold a principled theological position, looking to the faith and order of the undivided Church. – F.i.F. response -“

No no no – they must mean the REALLY undivided church, not Rome, but before the east/west split! Go on back and keep on going, is what I say. Just leave the rest of us alone.

Erika Baker
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Erika Baker

Benedict so where have you been reading lately? I have just spent 2 days getting into trouble with my fellow liberals for supporting parts of your view. Perry is absolutely right, one of the main objections to special provisions has to be that it creates a separate church within a church, which to my mind, is not traditional Anglican theology or any theology at all. I’d still like to understand why the special provisions at the time of women’s ordination weren’t limited to those already ordained and why the church continues even today to ordain anti-women priest. Why is there… Read more »

Benedict
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Benedict

Erika, thanks for your kindness. You and the small number of others like you on the site are indeed the exception that proves the rule. Just to answer the point about the church within a church, the Anglican Communion has operated on that basis for a number of years through the idea of provincial autonomy, hence earlier calls from traditionalists for a third province. Had that been granted we would not be in this current mess.

Erika Baker
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Erika Baker

Benedict I think we would still be in this mess. Answering one of my questions on his blog yesterday, Tobias Haller rightly pointed out that one of the criteria of a functioning church is the interchangeability of its ministers. This has been impaired since the ordination of women priests, and a third province would not have dealt with the problem. At some point we have to accept that segregation means precisely that, whether it takes place within a church or whether people leave and form another group outside the CoE. My theological question remains: To what extent can we meaningfully… Read more »

Fr James
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Fr James

Fr Ron wrote: Why are F.i.F. people still in the Church of England, which was/is a product of the Reformation, which separated the C.of E. out from Rome in the 16th century? First of all, lets not pretend that the CofE separated from Rome over mighty theological convictions. A primary school history lesson on Henry VIII and his six wives is enough to rule out that lovely image. Second, the answer to your question posed here is: because FiF people are Anglicans, not Roman Catholics. Now some may wish to go to Rome, either individually or through the ordinariate, but… Read more »

Rod Gillis
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Rod Gillis

Interesting comment from Benedict “I continue to be staggered at both the lack of understanding, or even attempts to understand, the theology and ecclesiology lying behind the arguments of the traditionalists” Some of us understand their arguments very well, and are on to the political game. I wish you chaps luck with this over there. As I read the posts about, I’m reminded of the conversations we had here in Canada years ago. The nostalgia rolls over me like a wave. It’s big of you to want to be generous, but my guess, based on our experience here is that… Read more »

Perry Butler
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Perry Butler

I cant imagine an autonomous province WITHIN the Church of England would have been acceptable to Parliament given the Established nature of the church. How would it relate to the historic provinces of the Church of England and what would its relationship be to the Archbishops? In any case there would have to be a fourth province to accomodate conservative evangelicals? And it would make a map of the C of E look like a swiss cheese…and how would it be funded? Whatever the ecclesiological rights or wrongs of a Third Province the House of Bishops were never going to… Read more »

Terence Dear
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Terence Dear

Benedict, please, please point me in the direction of some “deep theological thinking” on the part of traditionalists and I will be happy to engage with it. The articles linked to this thread wouldn’t earn a pass mark at O Level. “In a world deeply confused about gender roles, riven by the battle of the sexes, we are called to witness to the right use of the beautiful pattern that God has created.” Of course, whilst one half of the human race remains in a “beautiful pattern” of subjection to the other half, there will be no confusion about gender… Read more »

drdanfee
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drdanfee

Alas, I cannot accept the (unscrutinized? overly self-confident? …ah? ) proferring of traditionalistic assertions about/against women (funny how our traditions and customary manners in theology-ethics nearly always combine that stuff, about women plus against women?) … as ‘deep’ theology … our implicit comparison being that, I guess, all the other modern alternatives are something far other than deep? Meaning, shallow? Gee, our talk to date … things like getting ‘beyond equality’ (in some necessary neglect of real womens’ real competencies?) is actually scary … indeed, just as so many of the revelaitons that women were meant to be mothers of… Read more »

Father Ron Smith
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Father Ron Smith

“Now some may wish to go to Rome, either individually or through the ordinariate, but that is NOT the case for everyone. Anglo-Catholic does not necessarily mean Anglo-Papalist. – Fr James on Friday – On this point, dear Father, we can be agreed: that ‘Anglo-Catholic’ does not necessarily mean ‘Anglo-Papalist’. I, and many others – some of them on this site – are not, nor ever have been pseudo- Roman Catholics – simply because we consider ourselves to have been part of the Church of England’s heritage from Apostolic times, and yet reformed into a non-Roman, valid, Catholicity. This is… Read more »

JCF
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JCF

“There is clearly no real desire at all on the part of liberals in our Church to engage with deep theological thinking.”

Even though you anti-WOs keep reaching down from on high, trying to gift us shallow liberals with it!

Vaya con Dios, Benedict.

Jeremy
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Jeremy

Benedict said, “Just to answer the point about the church within a church, the Anglican Communion has operated on that basis for a number of years through the idea of provincial autonomy, hence earlier calls from traditionalists for a third province.” No. The Anglican Communion is not a church. It is a family of independent churches. Like most families, the Anglican Communion shares a history, and it has family reunions from time to time. But the Anglican Communion is not a unitary church. And despite Canterbury’s efforts, it never will be. So on this point, at least, the argument rests… Read more »

john
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john

Father Ed and many of his ideological opponents don’t like ‘fudge’ and agree on this one thing. I like fudge, and only hypocrites deny that it is an utterly essential ‘glue’ in practically all aspects of human life, not just religious ones (not necessarily the most important: oh, heresy!). Furthermore, the notion that ‘fudge’ NECESSARILY leads to misery is only true ‘if thinking makes it so’. But it doesn’t have to: you can change your thinking. You can agree that your disagreements are RELATIVELY trivial and just get on with getting on. That’s what most people do, in the Church… Read more »

Father Ron Smith
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Father Ron Smith

” It is particularly rotten that this happens just after the compensation deal runs out meaning that those who trusted synod foolishly will be left with nothing. Not easy when you have a young family “ – Ed Tomlinson, on Friday, 2 July – Ed, have you not realized that, with the ‘running out of the compensation deal’, the Church of England is no longer able to afford a culture of institutional ‘dissidence’ on the issue of women clergy? It has come to the point where the old idea of affording ‘Two Integrities’ in ministry – where those who opt… Read more »

JWM
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JWM

Those who are determined not only to win but to grind so-called ‘traditionalists’ (a horrid word) into oblivion, will inter alia criticise this last ditch attempt of the Archbishops at a bit of compromise as being rather ‘Tweedle Dum, Tweedle Dee’. Claiming for Church of England a purity of ecclesiology that it has never had, it is inconvenient for them to remember that in its ‘modern’ constitutional form the Church of England has always been a bit ‘Tweedle Dum, Tweedle Dee’. The Elizabethan Settlement hoped to respond to the religious divisions created over the reigns of Henry, Edward and Mary.… Read more »

JWM
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JWM

@Terence Dear 02.07.2010

“please, please point me in the direction of some “deep theological thinking” on the part of traditionalists and I will be happy to engage with it”

The work you are looking for is: “Consecrated Women?” (Canterbury Press, 2004) which is the theological report that ‘traditionalists’ were requested by the CofE to prepare and submit.

Being published by Canterbury, it was in the mainstream; sorry you don’t seem to know about it.