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General Synod Agenda – July 2014

Updated Monday 2 June The business on Saturday afternoon has been slightly amended, and a revised edition of the timetable issued.

The outline agenda for the July meeting of the Church of England General Synod is now available, and is copied below.

Friday 11 July

3.00 pm – 6.15 pm
Formal business
Brief response on behalf of ecumenical guests
Business Committee Report
Not later than 4.15 pm
Approval of appointments
Legislative Business
    Women in the Episcopate legislation:
    * Report on Article 8 Reference to the Dioceses
    * Final Drafting Stage
    Draft Safeguarding and Clergy Discipline Measure and associated Amending Canon – First Consideration

8.30 pm – 10.00 pm
Questions

Saturday 12 July

9.30 am – 1.00 pm
Presidential Address by the Archbishop of York
49th Report of the Standing Orders Committee (deemed business)
Legislative Business
    Amending Canon No 31 – Enactment
    C of E Pensions (Amendment) Measure – Revision Stage
    Amending Canon No 32 and Amending Rules relating to GS elections etc – Revision Stage
    Care of Churches and Ecclesiastical Jurisdiction (Amendment) Measure – Revision Stage
    Adjourned debate on Church Representation Rules (Amendment) Resolution – Final Approval
    Payments to the Churches Conservation Trust Order
    C of E Pensions (Amendment) Measure – Final Drafting (if needed) and Final Approval
    Amending Canon No 32 and Amending Rules relating to GS elections etc – Final Drafting (if needed) and Final Approval
    Cof E (Ecclesiastical Property) Measure – Revision Stage

2.30 pm – 3.15 pm
The Church’s Response to Poverty: Presentation
‘The (Un)Common Good’: Presentation by the Revd Jim Wallis, Author of ‘On God’s Side’

(3.30 pm – 4.45 pm Group Work: The Common Good)

5.05 pm – 6.30 pm
The Common Good: Presentation and Debate

8.30 pm – 10.00 pm
Private Member’s Motion: Canon B 8

Sunday 13 July

EITHER
(if Article 7 Reference Meetings are not required)
2.30 pm – 6.15 pm
Archbishops’ Council’s Annual Report 2013
Liturgical Business
    Additional texts for Holy Baptism – First Consideration
Churches’ Mutual Credit Union (CMCU): Presentation

OR
(if Article 7 Reference Meetings are required)
4.00 pm – 6.15 pm
Liturgical Business
    Additional texts for Holy Baptism – First Consideration
Churches’ Mutual Credit Union (CMCU): Presentation

8.30 pm – 10.00 pm

Financial Business
    Archbishops’ Council’s Budget 2015
Church Commissioners’ Annual Report

Monday 14 July

9.30 am – 1.00 pm
The Armed Forces Covenant and Community Covenants: Presentation and Debate
Not later than 11.15 am
Legislative business
    Women in the Episcopate legislation – Final Approval

2.30 pm – 6.15 pm
Legislative business
    Women in the Episcopate legislation – Final Approval (Ctd…)
Diocesan Synod Motion: Magna Carta

8.30 pm – 10.00 pm
CHARM: Presentation
Audit Committee Annual Report

Tuesday 15 July

9.30 am – 1.00 pm
Legislative Business
    Any remaining legislative business from Saturday followed by:
    Draft Amending Canon giving effect to the Southwell and Nottingham DSM on the administration of Holy Communion – First Consideration
Archbishops’ Council’s Annual Report 2013 (if not taken on the Sunday due to the Article 7 reference)
Not later than 12.30 pm
Farewells
Prorogation

Contingency Business:
Bradford Diocesan Synod Motion: Spare Room Subsidy

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Laurence Cunnington
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Laurence Cunnington

And there was me thinking I’d “plunged the Church into crisis.” Apparently not!

Susan Cooper
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Susan Cooper

Laurence, you may have done the C of E a favour, but it will take time for the C of E to realise that and no one will give you credit for it.

Father Ron Smith
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“8.30 pm – 10.00 pm )Monday, 14 July)
CHARM: Presentation”

Couldn’t help wondering why ‘charm’ was left until nearly the end of the meeting. Let’s hope ‘love’ was not similarly absent beforehand. (Smirk removed).

My prayers for your General Synod (from Aotearoa/NZ)

Henry Dee
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Henry Dee

At last the end in sight. Lets get half of all bishops women as soon as possible, and then either Canterbury or York. If the Anglo Catholics and Evangelicals don’t like it – tough. Let them their quota of bishops, whatever percentage it is 25% -30% then they can’t grumble.

Cynthia
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Cynthia

is that the provision? A quota? Will there be a quota of gay friendly bishops?

Charles Read
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Charles Read

This is not the best way to timetable the Women in the Episcopate debate. We need all day – from 9.30 and the evening slot. In the last Final Approval debate the chair reduced the speech limit in the end to 30 seconds. That is tantamount to refusing to let people speak and at Final Approval all who wish to speak have a right to do so. I stopped standing to speak at that point because I needed more than 30 seconds to rebut the Trinitarian / Subordinationist arguments which some REFORM people had introduced. I understand the Bishop of… Read more »

Erika Baker
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Erika Baker

Charles
“This timetable will breed annoyance once again…”
isn’t that largely a question of how the debate is chaired? It should only focus on the provisions offered and on whether they are sufficient for those who would otherwise not be able to remain in the CoE.
It should absolutely not be possible to start a whole theological debate on whether women can or should be priests and bishops.
That has already been agreed in principle and is no longer up for negotiation.

Susan Cooper
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Susan Cooper

I really don’t wish to listen to many more speeches about women bishops. November 2012 used up all my tolerance. It was annoying that people were making speeches that didn’t need to be made but no one was able to refute various conservative arguments. I am not sure how many would have listened. I am hoping that a few more have made up their minds in a positive direction. The earlier debates have surprisingly positive but final approval is the last chance to state the negative case – at least I hope it is. I don’t mind the apologetic speeches… Read more »

Richard Ashby
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Richard Ashby

I have said before that the discussion is only about the legislation, it is not about the principle. A good chair should emphasise this at the start and curtail any attempt to widen the debate.

Father David
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Father David

This being the case, Richard, why did the Bishop of Sheffield want to present his own interpretation of the Bible’s take on Women’s episcopal ministry? If, as Charles suggests, it was to “address the misuse of the Bible by some Synod members”, this would suggest to me that there is still great unhappiness and discontent within the Church over this highly contentious issue and disagreement of interpretation over the actual principle. I wonder, who was Chairing the Synodical session the last time “Final Approval” was defeated? Perhaps whoever is in the Chair on Monday,14th July will ensure that speakers stick… Read more »

Perry Butler
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Perry Butler

I agree entirely Richard ( Ashby)..but I also think the trinitarian/subordinationist argument should have been answered at an official level since it was given a significant airing last time…and would seem to have rattled some people.

John
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John

Two of these comments (from, as it happens, ‘opposite sides’) seem to me very confused.

The bishop of Sheffield is wholly in favour of women priests and women bishops.

He is not remotely a ‘biblical scholar’. Nor, of course, do ‘biblical scholars’ generically agree on this or on many other issues.

I greatly admire said bishop. That, precisely, is why statements about him should be accurate.

Father David
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Father David

I’m quite aware that the Bishop of Sheffield is in favour of women bishops but completely at a loss as to how he can support or justify this favouritism from his study of Holy Scripture, whether or not he is “a Biblical scholar”?
As Bishop Alec Graham once so wisely said at General Synod in refuting the “Biblical” assertion in favour of this innovation by Bishop Michael Adie, as far as Scripture is concerned the answer is either “No or not proven”; and Bishop Graham IS a considerable Biblical scholar.

Father Ron Smith
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It does seem that on this issue of women in ministry, no amount of arguing from reason will ever convince some people that God created both female and male in the divine image and likeness – to share the Gospel proclamation and provenance. To my mind, that could well include governance in the Church.

Charles Read
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Charles Read

John: the bishop of Sheffield has a PhD in Old Testament studies from Durham University. He taught OT while he was Warden of Cranmer Hall, though his attention has focussed on issues of ministry and mission in his teaching and writing over the last decade or more. Fr. David: the said bishop and Dr Paula Gooder (also a Biblical scholar despite being a lay person*) edited a book about the Biblical case for the ordination of women. The arguments have been rehearsed ad nauseam but, for what it’s worth, like most evangelicals, I support the ordination of women because of… Read more »

Charles Read
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Charles Read

Doh! The * in my last post should have led to a note which read:

* this is my attempt at irony by the way….

Now I owe the wonderful Dr Gooder a drink at the July Synod!

John
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John

Charles, I am aware of the facts you adduce concerning said bishop. Doesn’t make him a ‘biblical scholar’ in any serious sense (and I write both as a serious ‘scholar’ in another discipline who regularly attends NT seminars in Durham and elsewhere and as one who in a private capacity has heard many excellent sermons from Steve which were notably light on ‘biblical scholarship’). Nor, as I pointed out before, do ‘biblical scholars’ generically agree on this contemporary issue (or on many others). Such appeals to ‘authority’ by ‘liberals’ are no better than appeals to ‘authority’ by ‘traditionalists’. All this… Read more »

Father David
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Father David

Fr. Ron, but of course we are all made in the image and likeness of God but Reason is only one leg of a three legged stool – the other two, as you well know, are Scripture and Tradition which to my mind come out clearly against the innovation. By your reference to “some people” are you including His Holiness Papa Francesco and His All Holiness Bartholomew, the Ecumenical Patriarch by any chance?

Cynthia
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Cynthia

Could someone please inform us Yanks about the business with the “Magna Carta?” We thought that was a done deal a long time ago! Loved seeing one of the, um, original copies in Salisbury…

Father Ron Smith
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“By your reference to “some people” are you including His Holiness Papa Francesco… – Father David – Dear Father, I don’t think Papa Francesco has yet got into his stride. Don’t think he’s finished with his ‘semper reformanda’ process in the Curia. I think he’s a chip off the old block – Papa Giovanni. In any case, being an Anglican myself, why would I need to look to other Churches to bring justice into my own Church? We are, after all, part of the Body of Christ, with our own constitutions and ordinances. The struggle for unity does not absolve… Read more »

Father David
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Father David

Father Ron, here’s me thinking that you lived in New Zealand and not Cloud Cuckoo Land. If you think that Papa Francesco is going to open up the ancient three fold ministry to women then you are in for a BIG disappointment.

Peter Owen
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Here’s the motion on Magna Carta. That this Synod: (a) recognise the 800th Anniversary, on 15 June 2015, of the sealing of the Magna Carta at Runnymede as an important opportunity to celebrate the Charter’s principles – which established that the English Church and all our citizens shall live in freedom and have contributed to human flourishing in this country and around the world; (b) urge dioceses, deaneries, parishes and other church bodies to affirm the significant part played by the Church through Archbishop Stephen Langton and the Bishops in the Charter’s formulation and implementation and warmly commend the continued… Read more »

Cynthia
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Cynthia

Thank you, Peter! Hope I’m there to help celebrate in 2015!

ian
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ian

Doesn’t make him a ‘biblical scholar’ in any serious sense (and I write as a serious ‘scholar’ in another discipline )

Patronising or what?

Father Ron Smith
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With any luck, The Church of England might be able to celebrate a Double Freedom for its members:
1. The 800th Anniversary of Magna Carta, and:
2. The Ordination its first Woman Bishop.

All other Anglican Provinces will be celebrating with you – on both accounts!

robert ian williams
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robert ian williams

In reality the Magna Carta guaranteed the rights of the Catholic Church, to be in full communion with Rome and not to be interfered with by the King. That is why it was endorsed by the bishops and the Papal legate.Prior to the signing , Enagland been under a papl interdict to undermine the authority of King John, who was interfering in the rights of the CHurch.Furthermore as a document as regards political liberty , the document has been greatly exaggerated. Anglicans, should be mindful that these rights were eventually trampled over, and the Anglican Church settlement in the sixteenth… Read more »

John
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John

It’s not patronising. Standards in biblical scholarship can be not terribly high (as many true biblical scholars acknowledge – I could quote you some of them).

kennedy
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kennedy

The General Synod of the Scottish Episcopal Church meets in Edinburgh from 12 – 14 Jun at St Paul’s and St George’s, York Place Edinburgh.

Agenda and papers are available from
http://www.scotland.anglican.org/who-we-are/organisation/the-general-synod/

Audio Streaming and twitter updates are available from a link on the provincial website or directly at http://www.smallvoice.org.uk/synodfeed

Follow the SEC on twitter @secsynod or look for #pisky.

Simon Sarmiento
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Thank you, and we shall do our best to report on it here.