Thinking Anglicans

Opinion – 29 October 2016

Richard Moy Tearing down the Barriers of Corporation Sole

John Wraw, Bishop of Bradwell, Is our vicar-shaped mould too middle class?

Miranda Threlfall-Holmes Infant Baptism: An Anglican Model for Same Sex Blessings?

Andrew Lightbown Getting the leverage into R&R

Madeleine Davies Church Times Making evangelism the main thing, not an optional extra

Jayne Ozanne ViaMedia.News More Tea, Vicar?

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Richard, John, Miranda – three great pieces and three great examples of diversity and equality.

(I’ve not read the other three yet.)

Father Ron Smith
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A great piece from Miranda. Sadly, though, it woud seem that the very people – fundamentalists – who don’t like Infant Baptism might be the very same people who don’t go for S/S Blessings.

Richard Ashby
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(In response to the article by Miranda) My Facebook page this afternoon has a picture of the Bishop of Bangor blessing a new locomotive on the Tallyllyn Railway.

Kate
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Kate

Jayne’s article hit a chord with me because she is talking about self-delusion among the House of Bishops. I think that’s part of the problem with the reaction to same sex marriage. It’s not just a theological issue, it requires the Church to admit that it is not welcoming to all and there are many senior figures who emotionally are going to struggle with making that adjustment. It makes me feel rather pessimistic. So I then go back to Richard’s article which highlights the problem with ordination. Clearly God’s call wasn’t to Richard or his wife separately but to them… Read more »

Father Ron Smith
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“So now the question is consecration as a bishop. And once again it is the couple together who should be consecrated not either of them separately. But the Church simply cannot cope with that.” – Kate –

My last response got binned so perhaps another might make it:

Kate, you can’t just keep on rejecting the tradition of the Church that has been agreed upon for centuries and seems best to continue.
There is a finite limit to fiddling with Holy Orders in the Church.

Kate
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Kate

“Kate, you can’t just keep on rejecting the tradition of the Church that has been agreed upon for centuries and seems best to continue.
There is a finite limit to fiddling with Holy Orders in the Church.”

Ah, you mean like ordaining women or allowing gay people to be a bishop. Or a couple together but not separately…

David Runcorn
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Fr Ron ….’ it woud seem that the very people – fundamentalists – who don’t like Infant Baptism might be the very same people who don’t go for S/S Blessings’. I am not sure this connection works. The great majority of evangelical CofE clergy baptise infants. It is true it was once more of an issue some took a stand on. ON S/S blessing the picture is much more varied – but changing steadily. But may I urge you take more care using the label ‘fundamentalist’. Those who struggle with infant baptism or s/s blessings are not automatically fundamentalists. If… Read more »

Father Ron Smith
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Sorry, David (Runcorn). I should have been more specific. Perhaps the word ‘Fundamentalist’ was wrong in this particular situation. I was really talking about conservatives who reject infant Baptism as not strict enough because of a baby’s presumed inability to make Promises for themselves.

Kate, by ‘Tradition of the Church’ here, I was referring to the tradition of treating people as individuals, rather than couples – which rather robs one of personal responsibility in ministry.

Kate
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Kate

“Kate, by ‘Tradition of the Church’ here, I was referring to the tradition of treating people as individuals, rather than couples – which rather robs one of personal responsibility in ministry.” You are being inconsistent I fear, calling upon tradition to argue the retention of things you don’t wish to see changed but are happy to trample upon tradition wrt the ordination of women and election of gay bishops. The Royal Family is burdened with tradition too. HM The Queen takes a very mature attitude to tradition. While tradition is valued, it is not worshipped. If a tradition is outdated,… Read more »