Friday, 7 October 2005

civil partnerships: Telegraph

An article All-embracing partnership Act by Joshua Rozenberg in yesterday’s Telegraph discusses the Civil Partnership Act and previews a lecture to be given later this month on the subject. The article points out that:

As the distinguished family lawyer Stephen Cretney explains in his Clarendon Lectures, to be delivered in Oxford later this month and published by Oxford University Press, the new legislation does not require civil partners to be homosexual or indeed to have a sexual relationship of any kind. They do not even need to live together.

The benefits on offer under the Civil Partnership Act 2004 are available to pretty well any unrelated couple of the same sex aged 16 or over, provided neither of them is already married.

And it goes on to say:

Dr Cretney recognises that friends who simply share common interests may be deterred from registering as partners by the fear that their friends would wrongly assume that they were homosexual. But he points out that no less a body than the Bishops of the Church of England has explained that civil partnership is “not predicated on the intention to engage in a sexual relationship”.

On the difference between this and marriage, it notes that:

…there are significant differences between the two relationships, despite attempts by ministers to suggest otherwise. Unlike marriage, civil partnership law has no problem with promiscuity: although adultery coupled with intolerability opens the door to divorce, sexual infidelity does not provide a basis for dissolving a civil partnership. Similarly, although a marriage is voidable on the ground that either party is incapable of consummating it, there is nothing comparable in the Civil Partnership Act.

Another difference was designed to appease those who believe that “gay marriage” is against God’s law. Although two people of the opposite sex may choose to marry in a place of worship, civil partners have no such choice: the law says that “no religious service is to be used while the civil partnership registrar is officiating at the signing of a civil partnership document”.

The whole article is an excellent summary of the position.

Update
An earlier Guardian article mentioned that the Association of Registration and Celebratory Services in conjunction with the Society of Registration Officers has drafted A CEREMONY FOR CIVIL PARTNERSHIPS for optional use within those local authorities that choose to do so. It’s important to realise that individual local authorities have very considerable discretion in such matters, and also that wholly civil ceremonies not only for births, marriages, and deaths, but also for wedding anniversaries, adoptions, etc. is a fast-growing activity in the UK. This is the context in which this particular draft needs to be seen.

Posted by Simon Sarmiento on Friday, 7 October 2005 at 11:06am BST
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Comments

Legal sophistry.

Read the consultation documents and its clear enough that civil partnership is gay marriage.

And yes, just like if you are gay, you can have a marriage of convenience with a woman, someone might possibly choose to have a civil partnership of convenience with someone of the same sex.

But given that everyone other than the Church, poor dears, recognises that civil partnership is actually gay marriage, I don;t think they are going to be beating the doors down.

Oh, and lest we forget. Rosenberg is Mr. Melanie Phillips (neocon Daily Mail 'moralist' ranter) and shares her hard-right, anti-gay views.

Posted by: Merseymike on Friday, 7 October 2005 at 1:56pm BST

Re ; discretion - most local authortities are going ahead with arrangements for ceremonies. Some are looking towards the pioneer councils with regard to wording - and they demonstrate very much that these are to celebrate gay partnerships.

Posted by: Merseymike on Saturday, 8 October 2005 at 11:39pm BST

Merseymike is wrong, civil partnerships are not gay marriage. They are a second-class non-married status. Gay people should not be happy with civil partnerships.

I demand equal rights.

Posted by: Thomas Bushnell, BSG on Monday, 10 October 2005 at 3:15am BST

Well, Thomas, what is the practical difference in terms of the law?

None.

And by campaigning for civil partnerships, we have gained practical equality under the law ( and that is what matters, frankly - the name I couldn't give a fig about). Whereas Americans, campaigning for marriage, have received nothing but reversals.

Sometimes you need to be pragmatic to achieve progress.

I confidently predict that the term civil marriage will be used to describe all marriages, gay or straight, within 20 years.

Posted by: Merseymike on Monday, 10 October 2005 at 10:07am BST

Thomas-

When you convince God that gay marriage is not sin, then you will get equal rights.

Posted by: Richard Cook on Monday, 10 October 2005 at 10:05pm BST

Mr Cook, I doubt any of us is seriously trying to convince God of anything.... I daresay He knows where He stands. Unfortunately it isn't always as simple as it looks for the rest of us to figure that out.

Rather we are trying to convince one another of the validity (or otherwise) of particular readings of the Scripture. Thomas will get equal rights when (and if) the Church becomes convinced of an interpretation of Scripture that supports gay marriage or the blessing of civil marriages regardless of the sex of the two parties. Right now we are so bitterly divided that many people on both sides are unwilling to acknowledge that their opponents are sincere in trying to discern God's will in the Scripture.

Posted by: Dr Abigail Ann Young on Tuesday, 11 October 2005 at 8:14pm BST
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