Sunday, 19 November 2006

still more on that interview

Judith Maltby writes in Comment is free about the Catholic Herald interview: A tall order.

The BBC radio programme Sunday had coverage of it too. Christina Rees and Lucy Winkett are interviewed. Listen here (Real Audio, about 3.5 minutes). It’s also discussed later in the programme, in connection with the forthcoming visit of Rowan Williams to the Pope, in an interview with Stephen Bates. That item can be heard here (3.5 minutes).

In the Sunday Telegraph June Osborne writes, What we really need are women bishops.

In the Independent Peter Stanford The Sunday Profile: Rowan Williams

Posted by Simon Sarmiento on Sunday, 19 November 2006 at 12:38pm GMT | TrackBack
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The obvious Daily Telegraph headline and opener is:

Senior Woman Dean Agrees with Archbishop

Rev June Osborne, Dean of Salisbury, and one of the few leading clergy women in the Church of England, states that the ordination of women has not had a major impact on the Church of England. Replying to her own question, "Has the ordination of women utterly transformed the Church of England?" she replies "Of course not." Her comments are similar to those of the Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, when interviewed recently in the Catholic Herald. No doubt her colleagues will be as disappointed in her assessment as they were by the neither here nor there comments of her archbishop.

[continued page 94]

What the Church of England needs, is not simply women bishops, but an end to a prejudicial outlook that can be identified as too long cultural, nad infused into religion, even if secular culture has been driving the change to including everyone in structures, including structures of service as in the Church.

Posted by: Pluralist on Sunday, 19 November 2006 at 1:46pm GMT

June Osborne makes one very fascinating statement in her article

"...I believe and trust in the Archbishop of Canterbury, whoever he happens to be..."

Could that be where we are going wrong? :o)

Posted by: dave williams on Sunday, 19 November 2006 at 8:20pm GMT

No soul or group can make a dramatic difference if they are:
- not trying to make a dramatic difference - theological training endorses people who will support and nurture the system
- the system is not ready for momentous change - things are working fine as they are or complacency says there is no need to rock the boat
- the establishment is in strong self-preservation mode and obstructs attempts to reform.

One of the joys near the end of my previous marriage breakdown was watching my then husband's increasingly red face as the business expert he bought in to tell me what needed to be done for his business quoted everything I had been telling my husband for several years. It was worth putting up with the petulant insults and sabotage for a few weeks for the joy of that "I told you so" session.

Similarly, there is a perverse pleasure in sitting back with crossed arms, amused at the mess some parties find themselves in; knowing that a large part of it is to do with them not wanting to listen to good advice (particularly from a woman) and proving they can do it better. In their petulance at doing every and anything other than what a woman has suggested, they simply create more embarassing conundrums from which they will eventually need to be extricated.

Women haven't made a dramatic difference? Maybe that's simply because the system didn't want dramatic differences and has fought tooth and nail for the status quo.

Posted by: Cheryl Clough on Monday, 20 November 2006 at 7:31am GMT
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