Friday, 27 July 2007

Hereford: another view

The Lawyers’ Christian Fellowship has published its opinions on the tribunal judgment.

Although it is not yet visible on the LCF website, or even on the Christian Concern for our Nation website, it can be found at Anglican Mainstream.

Further Analysis of the Bishop of Hereford case (scroll down to get to the start of the full text of the document).

Posted by Simon Sarmiento on Friday, 27 July 2007 at 11:44am BST | TrackBack
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It is good to have a sober legal opinion, to clarify matters, for us lay people.

Posted by: L Roberts on Friday, 27 July 2007 at 1:25pm BST

Lawyers are great aren't they?

The supreme arrogance that comes with that club badge. Yes, we are lawyers, so we know better than the rest of you. We are special-wise and have special authority to make your stupid eyes glaze over in awe.

Japan is a very impressive country, with immense brainpower and skill...

Yet last week, 100 Japanese governing party lawmakers have proclaimed that the Rape of Nanking never happened.

Just because you are a lawyer doesn't mean you can't be delusional, stupid or evil.

Why do professional groups like this imagine that their corporate input bears any weight more than the rest of us?

Especially when they start their garbage with distortions like, "An openly practising homosexual has won his case..." when the whole point is that he was an openly NON-'practising' homosexual at the time of the interview.

I used to be a smoker. One of the great tools that Alan Carr (bless his late soul) gave me as an aid to giving up, was that you are only a smoker when you are actually pulling on a ciggy (I resisted the obvious pun). I'm a homo whether I'm doing it or not, but if you are gonna say I'm 'practising' when I'm earnestly telling you I'm not, you better be standing in front of me with my strides down in flagrante delicto.

Lawyers, bless 'em.

Posted by: matthewhunt on Friday, 27 July 2007 at 4:13pm BST

I got really excited when you came up on my reader under the title "Another view." But I shouldn't have bothered. This is, in fact, the same old view from The Lawyers' Christian Fellowship.

Posted by: MadPriest on Friday, 27 July 2007 at 4:40pm BST

Well, lawyers would want an appeal, wouldn't they? All good cash in the bank....

Sorry, unduly cynical. But I did think that lawyers had a duty to law....

Posted by: mynsterpreost (=David Rowett) on Friday, 27 July 2007 at 4:40pm BST

matthewhunt-Instead of 'practicing', try substituting 'perfecting'.

Posted by: choirboyfromhell on Friday, 27 July 2007 at 6:23pm BST

Practice makes perfect I'm a 24/7 homo too !

They say and know nothing of the LesGay pleroma !

I am grateful for the truth beyond all definition, beyond all words ultimately.

The insight of Jewish practitioners like the BaalShem Tov and Isaac Luria that the words of the Bible are not as they seem and are aflame with meanings and beauty beyond all telling --like matter and molecules itself is wonderful.

It follows from that that Torah is not just Genesis thru Deuteronomy as seen thru Gentile eyes but this flaming text whose every (Hebrew) letter is alive with mystical-numerical significances and the ancient call to the One and a life of Mitvoth --doing good in the light ( / dark) of Eternal One ....

Got a bit carried away just reading
A Passage to India, and just seen the David Lean film again ----- yes truth is ultimately beyond all concepts and words ........

Posted by: L Roberts on Friday, 27 July 2007 at 7:51pm BST

LOL Choirboy and Matthew

The gift or prescience based on previous sins is a bewildering concept.

I wonder if they employ divorcees who have remarried (perhaps after an adulterous courtship)? After all, having committed adultery and divorce in the past, it is likely that they might do it again in the future. Even if they were monogamous and married on the day of the interview.

I wonder if they can work out who is going to abuse children, and refuse to recruit them before they commit the sin? There's would be a lot of potential parishioners who might be prepared to return to church and risk their children in Sunday school again if they could make such a guarantee. Mind you, there's then the question of whether those guarantees are credible. Having seen the churches' deportment over the centuries, there are those of us who know that their prescience is inaccurate and inconsistently applied. We trust God, we don't trust priests.

In my experience, those who have a "reputation" and do not hide it are usually safer than those that are held in high regard. Most of my best counsellors and advisors have been the souls who have survived the school of hard knocks. It gives them humility, compassion, strength, wisdom and a great sense of humour (the gentle Adam Sandler's that sides up and laughs with you, rather than the sharp razor style that ridicules). It's also easier to confess your problems to a "weak" soul, because you know they are going to help you make the most of the stupid situation you have put yourself in, rather than scheming how they can make your situation worse so they can get even more kudos at your expense.

Posted by: Cheryl Clough on Friday, 27 July 2007 at 11:18pm BST
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