Thursday, 13 September 2007

more on discrimination law

I reported earlier about the Church of England’s response to the government review of current legislation.

Today, the Church Times has both a news article and a leader column about the response.

News: C of E queries Government’s new ideas for equality laws (this also includes a report of the Northern Ireland judicial review of SORs).

Leader: My right’s better.

On the Northern Ireland judicial review, Jonathan Petre had this in the Daily Telegraph: Judge squashes part of UK gay rights laws.

On the government consultation, the Roman Catholic bishops of England and Wales have also filed a response. It can be found here.

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Great advertisement for the Church of England in advance of Back to Church Sunday: "Government compassionate towards LGBT minorities; Church heartless".

No wonder decent people like Stephen Bates want out.

Posted by: Hugh of Lincoln on Friday, 14 September 2007 at 1:04am BST

QUOTE: Sticking with sexuality, since this is the subject on which the Archbishops’ Council chooses to dwell, there is worryingly little attention given to the effect of its continued discrimination on those on the receiving end. For some reason, there is a heartlessness at the core of the sexuality debate in the Church.

And RE: The CathBishEngWales response PDF: I love, really love, that the core benchmark of whether or not such believers have equality and freedom of conscience in a fair or level civil playing field is their cherished right/privilege to say very bad things about, say, queer folks who according to their narrow views have deliberately chosen bad if not outright dangerous and disgusting behaviors, tagged lifestyle choices.

But you see, dear bishops: I have a LIFE, not just a fad of a deviant lifestyle. No matter what you believe, nor how strongly and traditionally you believe it.

In that life, I, like many if not most other people, seek to pursue productive good work, ethical forms of alternative partnering and parenting and family life which you blindly define as bad or evil, and perhaps most galling - innate human rights of inquiry and critical thinking which ever reserve the right to ask questions, grow in understanding, and learn more about the ways my life is truly moving forward into good, as I share civil society with others - some of whom are sometimes quite different from me, or at least, so others will say.

Could such bishops and archbishops as believers make it any more obvious?

They wish to trash talk and mistreat others - a familiar range of frequently targeted people, in real civil life - because their religion defines and demands such trash talk and mistreatment as a classic prelude, most likely, to conversion described as salvation.

Such believers typically claim to be waging campaigns of gospel truth, and so we would probably suppose that such preaching aims at attracting converts. The high fears, however, tend to betray the possibility that they are jealous not to moderate or equalize any right/privilege they have to occupy a higher place in the playing field, each and every time they face somebody from one of their most beloved target groups - is any group a better example than queer folks at the moment?

Posted by: drdanfee on Friday, 14 September 2007 at 2:28am BST

drdanfee wrote "...they are jealous not to moderate or equalize any right/privilege they have to occupy a higher place in the playing field..."

Absolutely. Imagine how much better the world would be if souls didn't deprive others of education so they could "outsmart" them. Or if the righteous were not hemmed in by the law whilst the wicked move with impunity? Or if souls were treated justly and consistently under the law and not able to bribe the legal process nor destroy evidence? Where societies were able to resolve their conflicts, and not have puppeteer tyrants installed or key leaders assassinated, so that a more "holy" clique can preserve their privilege and/or unfair trade advantages?

Reminds me of lyrics from poetics songs. Jackson Browne's "Lives in the Balances" denouncing Machevelian selfishness http://www.lyricsfreak.com/j/jackson+browne/lives+in+the+balance_20068574.html to John Lennon's "Imagine" giving us a glimpse of what could be http://www.lyrics007.com/John%20Lennon%20Lyrics/Imagine%20Lyrics.html with Jewel's "Hands" being a model of how it can happen http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/jewel/hands.html

Posted by: Cheryl Clough on Friday, 14 September 2007 at 11:22am BST

The church as the voice of reaction once again.

So out of touch, so very yesterday.

Posted by: Merseymike on Saturday, 15 September 2007 at 1:32am BST

Mike, just because something is old doesn't make it bad, just because something is traditional doesn't make it useless, and just because something is modern doesn't make it beneficial or even correct. Witchhunts didn't just happen hundreds of years ago, they happen now too. This assumption of yours that society is progressing ever forward to better and better things is as much a fiction as the persecution myth of the consevos, perhaps even moreso. If I am unwilling to grant all authority to Scriptures that have been studied, debated, meditated on, and in every other way engaged with for millennia, I am hardly going to look for authority to the societal whims of the past few decades.

Posted by: Ford Elms on Monday, 17 September 2007 at 2:00pm BST

That's your view, Ford. It sums up the problem with the traditional Christian myth, which is why wholesale revision is needed.

Scripture is based on premodern myth and needs to be observed in that light.

Posted by: Merseymike on Thursday, 20 September 2007 at 2:45pm BST
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