Tuesday, 18 September 2007

Sentamu on Mugabe

The Archbishop of York wrote about Zimbabwe and Robert Mugabe last Sunday in the Observer newspaper.

John Sentamu Saving Zimbabwe is not colonialism, it’s Britain’s duty

Nicholas Watt Archbishop hits out at policy on Zimbabwe

See also:
BBC Tackle Zimbabwe, archbishop urges
Press Association Archbishop discusses Mugabe with PM

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This is getting fun. Anybody care to guess how Malango et al will react? I predict scornful dismissal of +Sentamu as somehow toadying to the whites.

Posted by: Ford Elms on Tuesday, 18 September 2007 at 4:35pm BST

Sentamu's conscience is worthy.

Now as to the problems of depriving souls of safe homes, legal rights, safe places to worship or dignity.

We have micro instances where between 2-5% of our populations are disenfranchised...

Posted by: Cheryl Clough on Tuesday, 18 September 2007 at 10:16pm BST

"Archbishops Akinola of Nigeria and Orombi of Uganda, both of whom just happen to be in the country this week"

What an absolutely staggering coincidence!

They are really here because:


1. They are intrigued by American college football.

2. They want to see some of the close pennant race baseball games.

3. They have tickets for a couple of Monday Night Football games.

4. They want to take in a couple of Boradway shows.

Noh - it must be something else, but what?

Posted by: Cynthia Gilliatt on Wednesday, 19 September 2007 at 2:32am BST

Ford, Mugabe has not been sustained by bishops.......they really do not matter in what is happeneing in Zim.

If South Africa decided any time in the last 5 years that Zim deserved better government, it would have happened......because Zim does not have enough electricity or food without SA......so, the Mandela's ANC government in SA is strangely supporting this man in Zim (because he helped them with their "armed struggle" in the 70s and 80s maybe)

What we see in Zim is regional power politics and old friendships keeping a tyrant in power....while the poor get poorer. I suspect ++Malango is just as sad as you, Ford, at what is happening in Zim

Posted by: NP on Wednesday, 19 September 2007 at 12:09pm BST

"Mugabe has not been sustained by bishops"

"What we see in Zim is regional power politics and old friendships keeping a tyrant in power"

The above statements are contradictory of each other. The bishops of the Church are among his old, and maybe newer, friends and are playing an active role in the regional power politics. I have no doubt tribalism plays a role in Zimbabwe politics, just like it does in every other human society. Are you really this naive?

Posted by: Ford Elms on Wednesday, 19 September 2007 at 1:41pm BST

_Archbishops Akinola of Nigeria and Orombi of Uganda, both of whom just happen to be in the country this week_

They are setting up the Church of Nurk (Anglican Communion)*.

They would be better employed looking at the appalling condition in parts of their continent, in neighbouring countries and their own.


* [Formed from the first letters of Nigeria, Uganda, Rwanda, Kenya]

Posted by: Pluralist on Wednesday, 19 September 2007 at 2:48pm BST

Ford - if you are Mugabe, having a crooked bishop on your side is really nothing compared to having a government in South Africa which gives you electricity and petrol to keep your army and police going so that you can keep control of a country....... I am no fan of the crooked bishop and would remove him immediately (this ABC has not done much, of course!) but it is just missing the point to ignore the fact that it is the nice socialists of the ANC who are propping up Mugabe (South Africa has failed to sort out Zim - that is what Sentamu says!)

Posted by: NP on Wednesday, 19 September 2007 at 3:55pm BST

"I suspect ++Malango is just as sad as you, Ford, at what is happening in Zim"

You don't know this, of course, you only say it because such an image fits with your overall myth of the valiant True Christians standing for the Gospel. You won't even give consideration to, let alone accept the possibility that, your myth has little grounding in fact.

Posted by: Ford Elms on Wednesday, 19 September 2007 at 5:14pm BST

"...the Mandela's ANC government in SA is strangely supporting this man in Zim..."

This is out of date. They might continue to be diplomatically respectful to him, just as others do with between heads of state e.g. the US didn't have a problem sending arms and affirmations to Iraq's Saddam Hussein.

I do know that significant South African religious leaders (e.g. Tutu) have since expressed mortification and regret for what has happened and have often asked the question of how did things get to this point?

I am sure there are some who are looking at what is going on with certain parts of the Anglican Communion in terms of raiding and vilify other parts and similarly wondering how things got to this point. There are others looking upon others who are coming to realise that they have no remorse for harm they are doing to others and that they have no problem using tyranny and repression if they can't win in a fair fight.

The space between Korech's camps and others are getting larger as souls draw back from the argumentative selfrighteous lovers of tyranny and accusations.

Posted by: Cheryl Clough on Wednesday, 19 September 2007 at 10:40pm BST

Ford - and you don't know the is not as sad as you but (above) you attack him.....I expect that from Merseymike et al (they have a single agenda) but I expect much better from a man like you.

Ford - do you not see that the false teacher in Harare is splitting with Malango....this is a sign that he has been under pressure to repent.

Cheryl - without the ANC govt in SA, Mugabe would have been out of power years ago!
It is really sad! They have sustained him for more than 5 years while his people suffer.....words are cheap but they supply the electricity and the petrol that keeps Mugabe and his army/police in power. Tragic - maybe they do it because it distracts from the huge inequalities in the new South Africa between the new millionaire "socialists" in government and most of the AFrican people who are still in poverty?


Posted by: NP on Thursday, 20 September 2007 at 9:05am BST

Gee NP

There are a few who wish that other "sponsored" authorities had been removed years ago too...

God knows, we've had misogyny and xenophobia for over 2000 years, to which sponsor should we complain about those injustices?

Seems to me, Jesus' exhortation that let the one without sin cast the first stone seems appropriate.

Choose to cling to who did wrong when and how that has rippled down through time and then choose an accusatory and repressive theology.

Or, choose to accept that none is without sin or error, and choose to heal as best one can in the current circumstances, knowing that exacerbating past wounds does not bring healing and reconciliation into the future.

Or the parable from the Melbourne Commonwealth Games and cat 5+ cyclone Larry ripping through Queensland: pass on the baton and get on with the race or be disqualified for forgetting to carry the baton or for attempting to block a more effective contender.

Posted by: Cheryl Clough on Thursday, 20 September 2007 at 2:21pm BST
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