Thursday, 19 February 2009

General Synod - votes on Women Bishops legislation

The detailed results of the voting on the women bishops legislation at General Synod last week are now available.

Electronic voting results for Item 507

‘That the Measure entitled “Bishops and Priests (Consecration and Ordination of Women) Measure” be considered for revision in committee.’

Electronic voting results for Item 508

‘That the Canon entitled “Amending Canon No 30” be considered for revision in committee.’

From these simple alphabetical lists I have worked out the voting figures in each house below. It will be seen that each house voted by more than a two-thirds majority in favour each motion. Of course, voting to send the legislation for revision is not the same as voting in favour of its content.

  item 507
(measure)
item 508
(canon)
  for against abst for against abst
bishops 35 10 0 36 7 1
clergy 125 48 6 142 27 7
laity 121 56 7 131 45 6
total 281 114 13 309 79 14

I have also compiled tables of how each member of Synod voted (or abstained or was absent). These tables are available as a web page.

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thank you for doing these

Posted by: dodgey_vicar on Friday, 20 February 2009 at 1:55am GMT

The two-thirds majority vote in each House surely represents a common mind on the need for women bishops in the C.of E. The big question now is: whether the women bishops appointed will be seen to merit equal authority, as diocesans, with their male counterparts. If not, it would seem that a mysterious 'Fourth Order' will be created in the domain of Holy Orders in the C.of E.

Posted by: Father Ron Smith on Friday, 20 February 2009 at 11:42pm GMT

Fr Ron - you don't seem to get it. Women bishops AND their male counterparts who ordain women are equally unacceptable to most traditionalsists. So they will indeed be treated equally as Diocesans.

Posted by: Neil on Saturday, 21 February 2009 at 7:06am GMT

In reply to Fr. Ron, can I just say to be wary of appearances. Many of those who spoke very critically of the code of practice et al voted to send it to revision, it doesn't mean they will vote for it next time - on either side of the argument. The real debate now is over HOW women will be consecrated and what sort of church structures they will find.
As for being equal as bishops, perhaps if Synod etc had spent more time on the Rochester report - theology of the episcopate, we might be spared some of this debate now

Graeme Buttery

Posted by: Graeme Buttery on Saturday, 21 February 2009 at 1:15pm GMT

"it would seem that a mysterious 'Fourth Order' will be created in the domain of Holy Orders in the C.of E."

There already are 4 orders of ministers:

Q: Who are the ministers of the Church?
A: The ministers of the church are lay persons, bishops, priests, and deacons.

p. 855 BCP

I think this is a major difference in understanding the church, and why the ABC, among others, fails to understand that our neither our Presiding Bishop or House of Bishops can bully the rest of us.

I unerstand that he will be invited to our General Convention this summer - so far he's the only ABC in modern times who has not done so [yet].

I hope he comes and I hope he stays for enough of it to see the process of bicameral, lay and ordained governace at work. I hope he also in invited to and attends the Integrity Eucharist.

I expect he will come and lecture us and then leave. After all, he spent his sabbatical in the US with the Jesuits in DC and did not once venture into a TEC church to see the breadth and variety of how we 'do' church.

Posted by: Cynthia Gilliatt on Saturday, 21 February 2009 at 1:34pm GMT

This is deliberate strategy..defeat the measure for five years , so take it to the voting stage to fall. However that may work eventually to the womens advantage as eventually force of numbers will open the door for them.

Posted by: Robert Ian Williams on Saturday, 21 February 2009 at 7:34pm GMT

"There already are 4 orders of ministers:
Q: Who are the ministers of the Church?
A: The ministers of the church are lay persons, bishops, priests, and deacons." - Cynthia Gillatt

Sorry, Cynthia! I took it for granted that most people on this site would have realised I was speaking of a possible 'Fourth Order' as being part of the ordained ministry of the Church. I think you are referring to the Total Ministry Concept, which, of course, is a valid concept.

Posted by: Father Ron Smith on Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 11:43pm GMT

"I took it for granted that most people on this site would have realised I was speaking of a possible 'Fourth Order' as being part of the ordained ministry of the Church."

Thanks - I had not been following the discussion o women bishops closely enough to have registered that. An object lesson on paying closer attention to how other people use language in their own context.

Posted by: Cynthia Gilliatt on Monday, 23 February 2009 at 8:39pm GMT
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