Sunday, 11 July 2010

Catholic Group in Synod reacts to debate

Catholic Group in Synod reacts to today’s debate

Jul 10, 2010

We deeply regret that the General Synod has decided to ignore the leadership of the chief pastors of the Church of England Archbishops of Canterbury and York.

The voting was by the three Houses of Synod separately, with support from the Bishops and Laity but not from the Clergy. In total, 216 people voted in favour and 191 against with 9 abstentions - so there was support for the Archbishops’ amendments.

By rejecting the opportunity for unity that the Amendments they proposed would have achieved, it has made it very difficult for those who in conscience cannot accept the ministry for women priests and bishops.

The process in General Synod is not over and we would wish to be involved in the ongoing discussions as to a way forward that includes all loyal members of the Church of England.

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They can call themselves the Catholic Group till the cows come home, but lots of catholics who support the ordination of women wouldn't touch them with a long crozier.

Posted by: junius on Sunday, 11 July 2010 at 9:51pm BST

.... or even shake a thurible at 'em .....

Posted by: Martin Reynolds on Sunday, 11 July 2010 at 11:49pm BST

"lots of catholics who support the ordination of women" Junius. It is a contradiction in terms. How can you be a Catholic and support the ordination of women? What Junius suggests is nonsensical.

Posted by: Benedict on Sunday, 11 July 2010 at 11:50pm BST

But did the Archbishop of Canterbury not say he had not supported the amendments put by the catholic group. And did the Archbishops amendment not leave unaddressed the whole issue of "scramental assurrance" so important to this group. So, basically they are throwing a tantrum because they compromised their previous claims in order to support something offering less and then did not get it. Who let whom down? Answers on a postcard.......

Posted by: Rose Gaudete on Monday, 12 July 2010 at 12:13am BST

"By rejecting the opportunity for unity that the Amendments they proposed would have achieved, it has made it very difficult for those who in conscience cannot accept the ministry for women priests and bishops."

- Catholic (F.i.F) Group in Synod -

Here again, we have the likes of F.i.F. claiming to represent all 'catholics' in the General Synod of the Church of England. The result of the voting on the issues - bearing in mind the fact that the 'chief pastors of the Church of England' were out-voted by the Synod's procedures - should tell the objectors to women's ministry that the C.of E. is determined to proceed: to recognize the total ministry of women in the Church to be co-equal with that of men. End of Story!

There will still be plenty of Anglo-Catholics in the Church who are glad that this inequality issue has been dealt with once and for all, and who just want to get on with the Church's mission on behalf on ALL the Baptized. The mission of God's Love to all people will not be compromised by this action.

Posted by: Father Ron Smith on Monday, 12 July 2010 at 1:54am BST

SRSLY, junius.

The "Catholic Group" obviously doesn't include Affirming Catholicism!

Posted by: JCF on Monday, 12 July 2010 at 3:46am BST

Benedict:

"Catholic"--universal, worldwide. How can you claim to be "catholic" and leave out half the world's population?

Posted by: Pat O'Neill on Monday, 12 July 2010 at 11:16am BST

and the Roman Catholic Church , whose catechism so many of these "traditionalist" catholics appear to believe in, wouldnt regard them as catholics either...all pretty rum! the C of E had a different understanding of what constitutes its catholicity until 150 years ago, and some of us still hold to it.

Posted by: Perry Butler on Monday, 12 July 2010 at 6:00pm BST

"Catholic" appears to be nothing more than a brand name, as used by the FiF. It has no relation to the actual word "catholic," but indicates a jealous admiration of all the pomp and ceremony and above all power of Roman Catholicism, without all that "control from above" sort of worries.

Mere branding. The "Catholic Group" is simply the generic brand in the store.

Posted by: MarkBrunson on Tuesday, 13 July 2010 at 5:15am BST

'How can you be a Catholic' and be a member of the C of E ?

well of course, you can, but there's nothing very Catholic about those sectional groups calling themselves so.

Surely a Catholic embrace will take in all of us who wish to be embraced ?

Posted by: Pantycelyn on Tuesday, 13 July 2010 at 2:32pm BST

ha'Catholic" appears to be nothing more than a brand name, as used by the FiF. It has no relation to the actual word "catholic," but indicates a jealous admiration of all the pomp and ceremony and above all power of Roman Catholicism, without all that "control from above" sort of worries.'

Yes, I have to agree even though this was my background in the C of E. I have found the shenanigans of anglo-catholics disillusioning- from closeted denunciations of gay relationships,to the rejection of the Methodist Church and of Michael Ramsey's 'Archiepiscopal Guidance', to the treatment of women in the Church, to the failure to engage with the modern world.

Posted by: Pantycelyn on Tuesday, 13 July 2010 at 3:02pm BST

"to the rejection of...Michael Ramsey's 'Archiepiscopal Guidance'"

Could you elaborate?

Posted by: Bill Dilworth on Wednesday, 14 July 2010 at 12:45pm BST

Yes it seems like the disciples of Emmeline Pankhurst have won the day! AND undermined the authority of the two Archbishops.

LLM Emeritus Southwell & Nottingham

Posted by: Ted badger on Thursday, 15 July 2010 at 4:18pm BST
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