Wednesday, 23 November 2011

WATCH comments on diocesan voting for women bishops

press release from Women and the Church (WATCH)

Women Bishops Legislation
Overwhelming support for the draft Measure:
“Follow on Motions” confirm the Dioceses’ desire for draft legislation to be passed unamended by General Synod in July

General Synod has just consulted the dioceses on new legislation (a Measure and amending Canon) which would allow women to become bishops for the first time in the Church of England. This legislation outlined a scheme of delegation so that people who could not accept the ministry of a female bishop would have alternative provision – any parish can request a male priest or the oversight of a male bishop.
Such a scheme is a major compromise for many who are in favour of consecrating women as bishops and has been supported by many of them as a way of keeping the Church together.

Overwhelming support for the draft Measure
Of the 44 Dioceses which considered this, 42 voted for it and just two against with the overall majority of votes exceeding three-quarters. Overall 85% bishops, 76% clergy and 77% laity have said ‘yes’.
This is significantly better than the Diocesan voting in 1992 for the legislation allowing women to become priests, and is well clear of the two thirds majority required in General Synod for the legislation to pass.

‘Follow On Motions’
Alongside the main legislation 42 of the 44 Dioceses considered motions which would request consideration of additional provision for those opposed to the ministry of women as bishops.
9 of the 42 Dioceses passed such motions, while 33 did not. The two dioceses where this was not tested were amongst the strongest in favour of the main legislation with majorities of over 90% in favour.
Fewer than 25% of the dioceses therefore made requests for further provision, and even if the figure of a quarter advanced by some commentators were true, it would be below the one third figure which would be required to block the legislation in General Synod.
The failure to meet even that one third threshhold (let alone a majority) is also indicated by the overall voting figures on the motions for alternative provision.

The overall picture is clear. The Measure and Amending Canon on which General Synod consulted the dioceses were supported in the vast majority of dioceses with large majorities.
The case for an alternative approach was extensively tested, and fell well short of a majority, passing in just 9 Dioceses out of 44.
The case for changing the legislation has been put, considered, and lost in the Dioceses. The current legislation with its clear scheme of provision by delegation should be taken forward and passed so that we can, at last, have women as bishops in our Church.

Hilary Cotton, Head of Campaign said,
“The clear message from the Dioceses is: this is the right way forward. It would be very puzzling for the House of Bishops to amend the legislation in the face of such overwhelming endorsement from the Church at large. It would also seem dismissive of the ordinary Church of England membership if General Synod members chose to vote against such large majority opinion next July”.

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Hear, hear!

Posted by: JCF on Thursday, 24 November 2011 at 6:45am GMT

Those of us in the Anglican Communion who enjoy (and are not afraid of) Women Bishops, are very much hopeful of a generous outcome - for Women - from the General Synod deliberations. The best outcome - for both Women and the Anglican Communion Churches - would be that Women are welcomed into the historic episcopate - with no strings attached, that would render them without authority in their dioceses, causing a two-tier episcopate.

Posted by: Father Ron Smith on Thursday, 24 November 2011 at 10:21am GMT

`It would also seem dismissive of the ordinary Church of England membership if General Synod members chose to vote against such large majority opinion'

I thought the members of General Synod were, by and large, the same people as the members of diocesan synods - so does it really make sense to distinguish between them in this way?

Posted by: Feria on Thursday, 24 November 2011 at 11:11am GMT

The General Synod representatives of a diocese are ex-officio members of their diocesan synod. That is, about half a dozen or so people (depending on the size of the diocese) are members of both bodies.

They are representatives, not delegates, and are not mandated on how to vote.

Posted by: John Roch on Friday, 25 November 2011 at 2:55pm GMT

Thanks John.

Posted by: Feria on Friday, 25 November 2011 at 9:03pm GMT

The Church Times article which shows members of the 'Catholic Members of G.S.' suggesting that the Provincial Archbishops will most likely intervene - again - in the process of G.S., in order to request alternative legislation to allow for PEVs, to meet with CMGS requirements for alternative oversight which would undermine the diocesan authority of a Woman Bishop, must surely be contrary to the stated preference of Diocesan Synods on this issue?

Posted by: Father Ron Smith on Friday, 25 November 2011 at 11:45pm GMT

Ron, you are quite right. 75% of Dioceses (33 out of 44) voted against this proposal, which is high when you consider that not all of them voted on this question.

Posted by: Peter on Sunday, 27 November 2011 at 12:36pm GMT
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