Tuesday, 19 November 2013

Guildford diocese: interim guidelines about prayers after same-sex marriage

Some time ago, the Diocese of Guildford published material on its website in the section on diocesan marriage regulations, concerning Civil Partnerships, Requests for Prayer.

This month, the diocese has published an addendum to that page (scroll down on link above), which is titled Interim Update on Civil Partnership and Same Sex Marriage. The text of this addendum is reproduced below the fold.

This update has already provoked criticism from Andrew Goddard, see A Pastoral Response to Same-sex Civil Marriage?

Interim Update on Civil Partnership and Same Sex Marriage

What is said in the current Regulations about Civil Partnerships remains the case. Government is committed to a consultation on the future of Civil Partnerships in the light of the Same Sex Marriage Act, but they remain on the statute book for the time being and may so remain. The House of Bishops and the General Synod will discuss the Pilling Report on Civil Partnerships in 2014. This is bound to take account of the Same Sex Marriage Act. For the time being however, until this wider debate takes place and unless policy then changes, what is said in the Regulations covering Civil Partnerships still holds.

However, from the time when the Same Sex Act [sic] comes into force (expected Summer 2014), clergy may well be approached for prayers after a civil marriage of persons of the same sex. The Bishops of the Church of England will be discussing this, informed by the Pilling Debate, during 2014. In the interim, the Bishop of Guildford and the Suffragan Bishop of Dorking consider that the same principles should apply as to similar requests after Civil Partnerships, noting that civil same sex marriage cannot actually take place until after the Act comes into force (as above).

In the current Regulations, it is noted that there is a distinction between marriage as the Church understands it (heterosexual) and civil partnerships. So clergy may pray pastorally with, and for, a same sex couple after a Civil Partnership if they consider it to be an authentic Christian relationship. Nevertheless, this should not purport to be marriage or to use the language of the Marriage Services.

On the same principle, while noting that Church and State have now diverged in the understanding of marriage, it would be appropriate for clergy who conscientiously judge a same sex Civil Marriage to be an authentic Christian relationship to similarly pray with, and for, such a couple. Because the teaching of the Church remains that this is not marriage, the texts of the Marriage Services should not be used. An additional reason for avoiding Marriage Service language in this instance, is that in law a Civil Marriage has in fact taken place and the Church should do nothing to put in question the legal position of the couple as married according to Civil Law, which could be inferred by supplemental material from the Church of England Marriage Services, which are themselves also ‘legal’ texts.

In agreeing to a request for pastoral prayer, the clergy person concerned will need to make the Church’s position clear in terms of its teaching about marriage, as the Church has historically understood marriage. But this does not imply a grudging or negative view of the couple: the clergy person should respect the positive values of fidelity expressed in the vows the couple have made in a Civil Marriage, even if the Church believes this is, in reality, a distinct and different relationship from Christian Marriage as traditionally understood.

Nevertheless, there is no legal or canonical obligation for any clergy person to agree to requests for pastoral prayer, should any clergy person feel constrained in conscience to abstain, or if they judge the relationship not to be appropriate.

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One wonders how that diocese's senior priest regards this advice.

Posted by: Dan BD on Tuesday, 19 November 2013 at 10:15am GMT

Christmas is coming, the goose is getting fat...

On the same line, gay marriage is coming, and the church is going to start looking more and more stupid, as it struggles with this one.

The argument that same-sex marriage is not "Christian marriage" is not really helpful. The marriage between two Muslims is clearly not "Christian" marriage, but the church would still recognise its validity. To try and maintain a distinction will soon (with in two or three years) become as difficult and unacceptable as trying to claim that mixed-race couples are not really married.

The argument that some married people should remain celibate, while others don't have to, will likewise be seen as bizarre at best, and downright wrong by most people.

Church leadership, and people in the pews, need to stand up to the vocal minority who have made this issue THE test of orthodoxy. Otherwise the church will continue to wither away, perceived as a weird anachronistic sect.

Posted by: Iain Baxter on Tuesday, 19 November 2013 at 12:40pm GMT

'But this does not imply a grudging or negative view of the couple'

Really ? It comes across to me as both negative and grudging.


The church of england have no idea who they are treating in this fashion - and miss out on so much !

However, it can't be all bad, I suppose, if being attacked by Andrew Goddard.

Posted by: Laurie Roberts on Tuesday, 19 November 2013 at 12:41pm GMT

There is one subservient body making law that disagrees with the main body making law. It doesn't work. A marriage is a marriage. If the subservient body disagrees, it should stop making law - it should be disestablished and remove itself from the House of Lords.

Posted by: Pluralist on Tuesday, 19 November 2013 at 3:56pm GMT

"In agreeing to a request for pastoral prayer, the clergy person concerned will need to make the Church’s position clear in terms of its teaching about marriage, as the Church has historically understood marriage. But this does not imply a grudging or negative view of the couple: the clergy person should respect the positive values of fidelity expressed in the vows the couple have made in a Civil Marriage, even if the Church believes this is, in reality, a distinct and different relationship from Christian Marriage as traditionally understood."

So if a gay couple goes for a blessing, the priest is required to tell them that their marriage isn't a Real Marriage and that they're living a life of sin. Why on earth would anyone seek that kind of "blessing"?

It brings to mind the words of Jesus about asking for fish or eggs and instead getting snakes and scorpions.

Posted by: dr.primrose on Tuesday, 19 November 2013 at 8:13pm GMT

Adrian makes Iain's oft repeated point very elegantly.

Andrew Goddard's analysis and comment grows less coherent.
Why does he say nothing about converting CPs to marriage by post? Clearly the govt is wanting to assert that CPs are to all intents and purposes marriage.

These people have lost more than the argument.

Posted by: Martin Reynolds on Tuesday, 19 November 2013 at 8:30pm GMT

The fact that the Church of England is still the Established Church (in some important senses) and that bishops sit in the House of Lords does not mean that its practice HAS to conform in every way with every law passed by Parliament. For example, when changes have been made in the past relating to divorce law, this has not prevented the Church of England from having its own rules regarding those allowed to marry in church. (Some have argued, of course, that changes in law allowed a priest to solemnise marriage of divorced persons despite church rules.) This is just a small comment from a liberal Anglican who,on what he thinks are important grounds,does not agree with the instituting of "gay marriage" - something that has not been legislated for in his own country -the Commonwealth of Australia. I do not accept that holding such a view ipso facto makes one homophobic or (as if this mattered) "behind the times".

Posted by: John Bunyan on Tuesday, 19 November 2013 at 8:40pm GMT

In part answer to John Bunyan's comment here:

One important point about the traditional view of marriage, was that it should be 'open to procreation' (a biblical view?)

The fact is that, nowadays, a heterosexual couple can be married in Church without this prospect being a reality. It is still considered 'a marriage'.

On these grounds alone, and the fact that marriage has always been considered to be undertaken with the prospect of a life-long loving relationship, what should prevent a same-sex, monogamnously- linked couple from being married?

Posted by: Father Ron Smith on Tuesday, 19 November 2013 at 11:38pm GMT

"gay marriage is coming, and the church is going to start looking more and more stupid"

"Going to start" looking, IainB? {face-palm}

Lord, reform Your Church!

Posted by: JCF on Wednesday, 20 November 2013 at 5:44am GMT
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