Friday, 15 January 2016

Primates gathering: Friday news reports and comment

Updated at 2.00 pm

Paul Handley Church Times Primates distance themselves from the US Episcopal Church in official statement

Harriet Sherwood The Guardian Anglican church avoids split over gay rights – but liberals pay price

John Bingham The Telegraph Anglicans step back from brink of schism over homosexuality

Sarah Pulliam Bailey Washington Post Anglican Communion suspends the Episcopal Church after years of gay rights debates

Kimberly Winston Religion News Episcopal Church suspended from full participation in Anglican Communion

Ian Johnston Independent Church of England leaders defy liberals and condemn same-sex marriage

John Martin The Living Church Primates suspend TEC over same sex decisions

Comment

Susan Russell Huffington Post On Becoming Second Class Anglicans for Treating LGBT People as First Class Christians

Anglican Church in North America Primates Meeting 2016 Update from Archbishop Beach

Jake Cunliffe Ekklesia Marriage should be inclusive - a response to the Primates’ rebuke of the Episcopal Church

Ian Paul What does the Primates’ Statement mean?

Update

Jon White Episcopal Café Editorial: Response to the #Primates2016 Statement

Ruth Gledhill Christian Today Episcopal Church Primate pledges to stay in the Anglican Communion

BBC News Anglican communion to restrict US Church over gay marriage

Harriet Sherwood and Rowena Mason The Guardian Chris Bryant quits Church of England over its views on homosexuality

Kathryn Snowdon The Huffington Post UK US Episcopal Church Suspended From Anglican Communion Over Gay Marriage

Posted by Peter Owen on Friday, 15 January 2016 at 10:06am GMT | TrackBack
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It says something when even ++Peter Jensen said on R4 'Today' this morning that the statement was 'inadequate' because it did not include the Lambeth 98 statement about showing pastoral care and compassion to all people whatever their sexual orientation.
Totally hypocritical coming from him of course, since he is leading those calling for continued discrimination, as he went on to acknowledge this morning.
But it confirms that this statement takes an even harder line than Lambeth 98, and hence is going in completely the wrong direction. Shameful and disgraceful!

Posted by: Malcolm Dixon on Friday, 15 January 2016 at 10:55am GMT

ACC members need to take high-powered legal advice as to the effect of the primates' statement.

The ACC has its own constitution. It doesn't give the primates power, on their own, to dictate how the ACC carries out its business.

Posted by: Jeremy on Friday, 15 January 2016 at 12:11pm GMT

It is curious that the press accounts all seem to take for granted that a majority vote of the Primates has some legal force. No doubt those Primates who voted for the resolution want to believe that they have the authority to enforce this suspension, but on what basis? Their strategy continues to be one of manufacturing a power structure where none exists in order to deal with manufactured crises.

Posted by: Mary Clara on Friday, 15 January 2016 at 1:12pm GMT

As the dust settles, this will be less of a shock to US Episcopalians, already accustomed to this, than to members of the Church of England, as they try to come to terms with, and deal witb, the contract with the Devil to which their upper hierarchy is chaining them.

Posted by: Roger Mortimer on Friday, 15 January 2016 at 1:36pm GMT

"[T]his will be less of a shock to US Episcopalians . . . than to members of the Church of England, as they try to come to terms with, and deal witb, the contract with the Devil to which their upper hierarchy is chaining them."

Exactly. And the Church of England should be very, very troubled by this sentence in the final communique:

***"We will develop this process so that it can also be applied when any unilateral decisions on matters of doctrine and polity are taken that threaten our unity."***

The Church of England rejected the so-called Anglican Covenant (which was neither) only to have the GS primates attempt to grab new power for the primates' meeting.

This power grab needs to be resisted. In Parliament if necessary.

People are worried about the EU having too much power in the UK. Do you realize what just happened to Anglicanism? A majority of primates just asserted the power to discipline the CofE.

Posted by: Jeremy on Friday, 15 January 2016 at 3:33pm GMT

A very backward step, showing the bullying mind of some of the African primates. Some of us experienced the same at a Lambeth conference some twenty years ago .
As has been pointed out the decisions
do not appear to have any legal validity.
It is now time for those of us who disagree with the Canterbury report to join together across the Communion in love and prayer to support each other, and those in our congregations and community who seek the true love of God in Christ for all his human flock.
The collect for this week in the Franciscan office books sum it up as follows' May we recognise Him as our Lord and know ourselves to be your beloved children.

Posted by: Fr John E. Harris-White on Friday, 15 January 2016 at 3:39pm GMT

>>>...this will be less of a shock to US Episcopalians...than to members of the Church of England, as they try to come to terms with, and deal witb, the contract with the Devil to which their upper hierarchy is chaining them.

I agree. Here in TEC, for the better part of two decades being Anglican has meant being shouted at by angry foreigners. Frankly, the word 'Anglican' has much more negative than positive associations for many of us now.

OTOH, decent people in the CoE must now deal with the fact that their church leaders have elevated homophobia to the credal level, as if it were the Trinity or the Resurrection, and given foreign bishops control of their national church.

And even those in England who are not religious at all are tied to a state church that enables human rights abuses around the world.

These things are worse than anything we're dealing with in TEC today.

Posted by: JPM on Friday, 15 January 2016 at 8:16pm GMT

Jeremy is quite right with this:
"***"We will develop this process so that it can also be applied when any unilateral decisions on matters of doctrine and polity are taken that threaten our unity."***

The Church of England rejected the so-called Anglican Covenant (which was neither) only to have the GS primates attempt to grab new power for the primates' meeting."

Silly me was busy reminding people that this meeting couldn't possibly have large scale consequences because the Anglican Covenant failed. But they just keep on keeping on. Because repetition makes things true. Just ask George W Bush about that.

The Letter to the Archbishops was magnificent, but I don't think it's enough by itself. This is CoE's cross to bear for awhile.

TEC's LGBTQ members and supporters (almost everybody) are hurt and angry, but we've got +Michael to lead us through.

Posted by: Cynthia on Saturday, 16 January 2016 at 12:18am GMT
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