Tuesday, 9 May 2017

More about Jesmond's episcopal consecration

The original Church Times report has been updated: Vicar of Jesmond warns against trying to discipline curate ordained bishop by breakaway Church.

It now reports that the Diocese of Newcastle has made a public statement. Here’s what it says:

The Bishop of Newcastle is aware that a minister holding her licence to a parish within the Diocese has taken part in a service of consecration as a bishop under the auspices of an overseas church.

It is the clearly established law of the land that no one can exercise ministry in the Church of England without either holding office or having the permission of the diocesan bishop.

It is also the case that no overseas bishop may exercise episcopal functions within the Church of England without the express permission of the Archbishop of the province and a commission from the Bishop of the diocese in which they wish to minister.

In this case neither has been sought.

The Archbishop of York is being kept informed.

The Church Times goes on to report:

The Vicar of Jesmond Parish Church, the Revd David Holloway, responded to the diocesan statement on Tuesday afternoon with the comment that it was “quite wrong”, owing to the diocese’s failure, in his view, to study the Overseas and Other Clergy (Ministry and Ordination) Measure 1967 properly.

He also stated that the Clergy Discipline Measure did not apply, since “matters involving doctrine, ritual or ceremonial” were not covered by it, and the Ecclesiastical Jurisdiction Measure 1963 had been declared by a C of E working party not to command “the necessary confidence of the Church”.

If it were to be used, he said, it would “be utter folly and invite a range of reciprocal heresy trials”.

Earlier, Law & Religion UK published this note: Church of England: confusion over episcopal consecration in Newcastle. This contains a number of useful links to background documents.

And Christian Today has Church of England issues warning against conservative minister consecrated as rebel bishop.

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Andrew Symes has expressed some personal opinions here
Unofficial Bishops, non-C of E Anglicans: fragmentation and schism, or new reformation?

Posted by: Simon Sarmiento on Tuesday, 9 May 2017 at 6:44pm BST

The Symes opinion on "Anglican Mainstream" are the usual biased ones we expect from him, especially since he has taken the mantle of being "mainstream", when he is anything but. Too bad all these high-minded ideas can't be honest about their opinions as a smokescreen for hate and homophobia. New Reformation indeed! How inflated are these egos? This is the usual propaganda for people whose real "rejection" of episcopal authority is based on their desire to be laws unto themselves. They love to select suitable compliant and neutered bishops so they can avoid having any authority, since for them, it's their own need for power that defines what they believe and do. How ironic that they are trying to use the "laws" of the C of E to get what they want, when ordinarily they wouldn't care a whit about them. Hypocrisy and hubris seem to be their "gospel" values. They love using words like "Goospel" and "Godley" to delude themselves that no one else can possibly speak for God. Looking the other way will just embolden them, since they have no shame.

Posted by: Adam Armstrong on Tuesday, 9 May 2017 at 9:19pm BST

What kind of evangelical witness is a secret ceremony of Consecration? They manifestly know that what they are doing is schismatic and irregular, unethical and underhand, or in plain terms crooked. Shady to say the least, and almost certainly illegal. John 3:20 nails it.

Real reformers used to bang nails loudly into church doors. Nowadays some celebrate the public sacrament of same-sex marriage (with public banns). They try to walk in the light and whether they succeed or fail, they aim to do so visibly.

Posted by: ExRevd on Tuesday, 9 May 2017 at 9:58pm BST

With this new 'Bishop-Pryke' having been raised up in the U.K., under the noses of their Excellencies the Archbishops of Canterbury and York; now begs the question of what the Church of England Bishops will do about this flagrant incidence of the undermining of their episcopal authority - to ordain their own candidates for episcopal ministry.

Jesmond Anglican Parish Church seems an unlikely nest in which to harbour schismatic bishops. However, the deed is now done. GAFCON, ACNA and AMiE promoters of schism are rubbing their hands with glee as the ABC and the ABY are sitting on their hands, probably regretting their passive interest in the underhanded goings-on of the GAFCON Prelates in the U.S.A and Canada. The Chickens have now, indeed, come home to roost.

Posted by: Father Ron Smith on Tuesday, 9 May 2017 at 11:05pm BST

It would appear that Andrew Symes sees himself as a new Martin Luther, or possibly Henry VIII. He does not lack ambition, it has to be said.

Joking aside, "this isn't the sort of thing we would do, but it's all jolly larks anyway" is a pretty cowardly position. He can't quite bring himself to say whether he supports it, presumably because he realises that open support will risk his job.

Posted by: Interested Observer on Tuesday, 9 May 2017 at 11:23pm BST

David Holloway was born in 1939 (the year WWII started) which makes him 78 this year. He was appointed to his living in Jesmond in 1973, prior to the Act which required clergymen to retire at the age of 70, so he can retain his living until called to greater glory. It looks to me as though he rather than his Mother in God holds all the cards and he knows it!
The only action I can suggest for the Bishop of Newcastle so to do is to appear on Tyne-Tees Television and publicly cut-up her dog-collar and promise not to replace it until the turbulent priest of Jesmond decides to take up his pension.

Posted by: Father David on Wednesday, 10 May 2017 at 7:19am BST

'The Archbishop of York is being kept informed.' How reassuring. Especially when the said prelate and his side-kick at Lambeth decided to recognise the orders of ACNA clergy. Chickens. Come. Home. Roost. Four words to describe the inevitable consequences of taking this decision, without wider consultation, or rigorous theological and ecclesiological groundwork. Well done, lads, for looking after your real friends.

This is precisely what happens when archiepiscopal power is unaccountably and inappropriately exercised in preference to seeking consensus. But I'm not sure either of them will ever get it.

Posted by: Michael Mulhern on Wednesday, 10 May 2017 at 7:51am BST

Could it not be taken that the minister concerned had, in effect, resigned, having indicated that he is now an employee of another denomination (which does happen from time to time)? What has happened is surely far more than a rift between a priest and particular bishop or with church leadership over a particular policy but rather would appear a renunciation of working for the Church of England in favour of REACH-SA, and hence an ecumenical matter?

Certainly in my day job, if I declared that I no longer accepted the authority of the leadership of my organisation but instead had been accepted to a particular position by a different institution and had taken up my duties, my current managers would be confused, to say, the least, if I claimed it was business as usual!

Posted by: Savi Hensman on Wednesday, 10 May 2017 at 8:17am BST

I should maybe add that my comment does not refer to how the Diocese of Newcastle should respond but rather what his own actions signify in law. Church of England leaders should be pastorally sensitive to everyone with whom they are in contact, whether or not that person is a current employee or postholder. However if, say, health and safety or safeguarding laws were breached in the course of outreach on behalf of REACH-SA, would it have no liability?

Posted by: Savi Hensman on Wednesday, 10 May 2017 at 9:10am BST

Is there any more ominous single sentence in Churchland than "The Archbishop of York is being kept informed."?! We might imagine that, as we read, several turbulent priests are practically bleeding from their ears; but perhaps I am excessively hopeful.

Posted by: DBD on Wednesday, 10 May 2017 at 11:23am BST

Yes, there is--and it is "After reading a statement, the Archbishop of York took questions from the press."

Let us hope that this time Ebor will act more quietly and appropriately.

Posted by: Jeremy on Wednesday, 10 May 2017 at 12:53pm BST

Jesmond parish AKA the Richard Clayton memorial church.....communion bread in the bin after the service.

Already employs clergy ordained in CESA succession, and not licensed by the Bishop of Newcastle.

The power behind the Christian Institute lobby and one thousand in church on a Sunday.

Planting churches in Newcastle and Durham dioceses with no diocesan approval.

I attended this Church when I was a student...Godly and very loving people..

Posted by: robert ian williams on Wednesday, 10 May 2017 at 7:23pm BST

I think the former Archbishop of Sydney (Anglican Church in Australia) is probably rubbing his hands with glee at this time. Having, in an interview recently, more or less declared the Church of England apostate, he is no doubt contemplating the next session of GAFCON with unbridled hubris. He will be hoping that on that occasion (in 2018) he will receive his acclamation from Gafcon's self-entitled 'Primates Council' for his part in the downfall of the traditional Anglican Communion.

Meanwhile, we in the outer Provinces will be quietly getting on the with inclusive work of the Gospel of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ who died for ALL people. Christ is Risen, alleluia!

Posted by: Father Ron Smith on Thursday, 11 May 2017 at 2:29am BST

"Vicar of Jesmond warns against trying to discipline curate"

Or I'll huff and I'll puff...!

Kyrie eleison.

Posted by: JCF on Sunday, 28 May 2017 at 11:04am BST
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