Comments: 17 men bishops write about women bishops

Are there currently any women bishops outside the churches of North America? If those provinces are excluded from Lambeth 08, will that once again make Lambeth a men-only club?

Posted by dmitri at Saturday, 2 July 2005 at 12:24pm BST

Deep theological work on the calling of a bishop has already gone into the new Common Worship Ordinal, which has already been discussed by General Synod and is up for final approval this month. The following is the introduction to the declaration which sets out the calling of a bishop.

In this quotation, I have deliberately changed 'he' to 'she' to help us think through if we believe God is calling women to be bishops. I do.

'Archbishop:

A bishop is called to lead in serving and caring for the people of God and to work with them in the oversight of the Church. As a chief pastor she shares with her fellow bishops a special responsibility to maintain and further the unity of the Church, to uphold its discipline, and to guard its faith. She is to promote its mission throughout the world. It is her duty to watch over and pray for all those committed to her charge, and to teach and govern them after the example of the Apostles, speaking in the name of God and interpreting the gospel of Christ. She is to know her people and be known by them. She is to ordain and to send new ministers, guiding those who serve with her and enabling them to fulfil their ministry.

She is to baptize and confirm, to preside at the Holy Communion, and to lead the offering of prayer and praise. She is to be merciful, but with firmness, and to minister discipline, but with mercy. She is to have a special care for the outcast and needy; and to those who turn to God he is to declare the forgiveness of sins.'


To manifest the strange position we are in at the moment, it may be worth pointing out that in the declarations that the Archbishop then asks the Bishop-elect to make, there is not a first question (but it is currently implied!):

Are you a man?

Yes.

The original introduction to the declaration, with 'he' rather than 'she' may be seen on:

http://www.cofe.anglican.org/worship/liturgy/commonworship/texts/other/ordinal/bishops.html


Posted by Graham Kings at Saturday, 2 July 2005 at 6:41pm BST

I have three thoughts to drop into this:

First, if God can use an ass to convey his message, how much more so a human?

Secondly: what does it say about God if we persist in applying two-thousand-year-old cultural values to Him? This seems to be putting God in a box, which I've long-since been informed is a bad idea.

Third: what is it about the role of `bishop' that makes males and females any different? Is it some competition in a man-made organizational hierarchy for who can score the most points, or does the hierarchy exist to serve God's purposes - whatever they may be, and whoever may be called?

Posted by Tim at Sunday, 3 July 2005 at 2:39pm BST

"actions by individual provinces touching the scriptural and traditional faith and order of the Church, actions that inevitably unchurch those who cannot accept such changes"

By such a standard, Church leaders in the past who became *abolitionists* "inevitably unchurch[ed] those who [could] not accept such changes".

Will the Church play it safe? Or be *faithful to the Gospel*?

Posted by J. C. Fisher at Sunday, 3 July 2005 at 11:55pm BST

Fulcrum has published a talk by Tom Wright which might shed some light on why he is taking this line about women bishops. The article is at http://www.fulcrum-anglican.org.uk/docs/2004/20040904wright.cfm
I can't understand the article myself, but perhaps someone else can explain it.

Posted by Simon Sarmiento at Monday, 4 July 2005 at 11:19pm BST

New Zealand had the first female diocesan -- Penelope -- of course I forget her surname (doubtless her husband's surname, anyway) -- Sudan has approved the ordination of women to all orders (although I don't know if they have acted)

The English Methodists have been clear all along that their moving to merge with the CofE is contingent on all orders of the church to open to both men & women -- to equivocate on this is to be dishonest in the talks with the Methodists (sadly, the CofE has a tradition of that)

Posted by Prior Aelred at Thursday, 7 July 2005 at 1:44am BST

Hundreds of priests may leave the C of E if women are consecrated bishops? Let them. Better to travel lighter than to be bogged down with discrimination wrapped in theo-babble passing as "unity of the church."

When did the church stop being the prophetic voice in the wilderness? Women have been Queen, PM, and Cabinet members--what are these "hundreds of priests" afraid of, anyway?

Posted by pete at Monday, 11 July 2005 at 2:21am BST

Dear Sir , a major problem of our society lies with the withdrawal of men from the headership of their families. The family, the buildig block of society knows nothing of authority, discipline or accountability. Each member does exactly as he or see thinks fit. Men must be taught again to take responsibility for their families and christian fathers should be taught to be spiritual leaders in their own homes. For men to exercise Ephesians.5:25 would be quite a revolution in the church. Those families that model the christian family in their communities would transform society in a way that no mega church can hope to do. Men have an obligation to take back the headship of their families and this is what the church should be encouraging them to do . The church should reflect this biblical model and having a woman as head of church , as having an authority of her own, is not only undermining the authority of fathers but flies in the face of God's word and His natural order. I am yours in Jesus Christ David Skinner

Posted by David Skinner at Friday, 2 September 2005 at 9:35pm BST
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