Comments: civil partnerships: Telegraph

Legal sophistry.

Read the consultation documents and its clear enough that civil partnership is gay marriage.

And yes, just like if you are gay, you can have a marriage of convenience with a woman, someone might possibly choose to have a civil partnership of convenience with someone of the same sex.

But given that everyone other than the Church, poor dears, recognises that civil partnership is actually gay marriage, I don;t think they are going to be beating the doors down.

Oh, and lest we forget. Rosenberg is Mr. Melanie Phillips (neocon Daily Mail 'moralist' ranter) and shares her hard-right, anti-gay views.

Posted by Merseymike at Friday, 7 October 2005 at 1:56pm BST

Re ; discretion - most local authortities are going ahead with arrangements for ceremonies. Some are looking towards the pioneer councils with regard to wording - and they demonstrate very much that these are to celebrate gay partnerships.

Posted by Merseymike at Saturday, 8 October 2005 at 11:39pm BST

Merseymike is wrong, civil partnerships are not gay marriage. They are a second-class non-married status. Gay people should not be happy with civil partnerships.

I demand equal rights.

Posted by Thomas Bushnell, BSG at Monday, 10 October 2005 at 3:15am BST

Well, Thomas, what is the practical difference in terms of the law?

None.

And by campaigning for civil partnerships, we have gained practical equality under the law ( and that is what matters, frankly - the name I couldn't give a fig about). Whereas Americans, campaigning for marriage, have received nothing but reversals.

Sometimes you need to be pragmatic to achieve progress.

I confidently predict that the term civil marriage will be used to describe all marriages, gay or straight, within 20 years.

Posted by Merseymike at Monday, 10 October 2005 at 10:07am BST

Thomas-

When you convince God that gay marriage is not sin, then you will get equal rights.

Posted by Richard Cook at Monday, 10 October 2005 at 10:05pm BST

Mr Cook, I doubt any of us is seriously trying to convince God of anything.... I daresay He knows where He stands. Unfortunately it isn't always as simple as it looks for the rest of us to figure that out.

Rather we are trying to convince one another of the validity (or otherwise) of particular readings of the Scripture. Thomas will get equal rights when (and if) the Church becomes convinced of an interpretation of Scripture that supports gay marriage or the blessing of civil marriages regardless of the sex of the two parties. Right now we are so bitterly divided that many people on both sides are unwilling to acknowledge that their opponents are sincere in trying to discern God's will in the Scripture.

Posted by Dr Abigail Ann Young at Tuesday, 11 October 2005 at 8:14pm BST
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