Comments: more on the Guardian interview

But Brown and Fraser put it mildly.

In response to the "Nigeria affair" we witness secular organizations moving ahead where the church is supposed to lead.

How many yet on the fringes of the church are repulsed by our -- and our Archbishop's -- pathetic, inconsistent, garbled moral witness?

Posted by The Anglican Scotist at Monday, 3 April 2006 at 1:11pm BST

In defense of Rowan Williams, his leadership team have had a pretty tough wicket for the last year or so. The ultra puritans can not complain that they weren't given fair warning that there was going to be something big coming through - God sent me to warn them in early 2004 (so they've had over a year head start than many others). In mid-2005 they locked me out of a conservative forum and shortly thereafter a long paper came out of the UK which at one point stated that the gift of prophecy does not apply to modern events and it was unbiblical to attempt to so (so stuff God if He wanted to anoint someone).

Following a series of exchanges, including God slaps, a few months later Rowan W commented that if God decides to move, the best thing is get out of His way. To which in a public paper I commented that made it sound like the Anglican Communion was a bunch of cockroaches. It is good if the vermin run away when God's light shines, but it would be nice if there were some people of faith left in the field so that if God throws a ball their way they will at least try and run for home goal.

I think Rowan is choosing the best course of action. It is also like he is pouring calming oil onto troubled seas as both sides are quite passionate. Leadership is not always testosterone and military success. Leadership sometimes involves giving people the space to creatively explore the boundaries and see if they can not find an innovative way out of conundrums. The latter style of leadership takes more time, but the result at the end is usually a blend of understandings that is more robust, diverse and stable than a monolithic solution rammed through by ego.

Posted by Cheryl Clough at Monday, 3 April 2006 at 11:54pm BST

"...so get out in front of the nation and apologise." Andrew Brown

So get out in front of the ENTIRE Anglican Communion ++Rowan and apologise!

Posted by Leonardo Ricardo at Tuesday, 4 April 2006 at 4:29am BST

It is true that action oftentimes does more damage than wisely not acting upon the impulses of the rash and selfrighteous, but head in sand is not leadership.

Leadership is giving a sense of direction.

Posted by Göran Koch-Swahne at Tuesday, 4 April 2006 at 10:34am BST

I hope someone will give the Archbishop a copy of Martin Luther King's "Letter from Birmingham Jail." Dr. King is quite severe on those moderate or middle of the road white pastors who wanted to wait for things to settle down, wait for a more propitious time, wait for some kind of compromise. In fact I think it can rather easily be found online. Maybe someone privy to the Archbishop's email address might thoughtfully forward a copy. Dante reserves a special place for the equivocators, if I remmeber correctly. It's not pleasant.

Posted by Cynthia at Tuesday, 4 April 2006 at 3:32pm BST

Meanwhile, at SydneyAnglicans, the Jensenites are calling us Episcopalians “priests of Baal.” Take a look: http://www.sydneyanglicans.net/community/viewtopic.php?t=1749&sid=6ff05afcde7b550ced0f6602b62292e6

Posted by Kurt at Tuesday, 4 April 2006 at 3:59pm BST

Huh. Baal was the Canaanite fertility god. If it's non-fertile sexuality they're against I fear they've nicked the wrong group there. Perhaps they might consider a sects change in Sydney?

Posted by Cassandra at Tuesday, 4 April 2006 at 5:03pm BST

Martin Luther King's Letter from Birmingham Jail can be found online at http://www.almaz.com/nobel/peace/MLK-jail.html

Thank you for referring us to this, Cynthia. You are right: it contains many lessons that may be applied to the present controversy in the Anglican Communion.

Posted by badman at Tuesday, 4 April 2006 at 5:23pm BST

I see that pleasant remark about his fellow Anglicans comes from David Ould - an occasional visitor to this august portal. Nice boy.

Posted by www.clarionstl.com/mouse/mobil.html at Tuesday, 4 April 2006 at 6:49pm BST

Coincidentally, www.torah.org published a torah study contrasting the differences beween Balaam and Abraham only this week (see http://www.torah.org/learning/pirkei-avos/chapter5-22a.html )

Some of the differences noted in this study include:
"We read of Balaam in Numbers 22-24. He was a Gentile prophet of G-d who lived during the time of the Exodus. However, rather than using his prophetic spirit as a tool for divine awareness and communion, he perverted it into a weapon to be used for his own selfish ends. For a price, he would use his powers to place curses and destruction upon others. Heads of state would regularly hire him to curse enemy armies and nations."

"The differences between Abraham and Balaam are evident in the stories of their lives. Whereas Abraham refers to himself as dust and ashes (Genesis 18:27), Balaam makes every effort to avoid admitting his shortcomings. Whereas Abraham refuses any of the spoils of his battle with the five kings (Genesis 14:23), Balaam's appetite for wealth and pleasures (of all kinds) was insatiable. In addition, Abraham was of "lowly soul," which Rashi explains to mean he did not consider himself above others. In spite of his greatness, he was quite at home serving strangers and passers-by, waiting on them hand and foot (ibid., 18:1-8) and bowing before the people of Chais (23:6). Balaam, however, with his false air of superiority, exhibited all of the smallness and pettiness of arrogance, insulting and belittling others in vain attempt to inflate his own ego."

"Last and perhaps most important, Abraham had a good eye. He viewed favorably all of mankind and as we shall see, the entire universe. He admired others for their good qualities and rejoiced over their good fortune. Balaam, however, just did not see the world in a positive light. He was so rankled by lust, jealousy and smallness that he could not look favorably upon the world around him."

Posted by Cheryl Clough at Wednesday, 5 April 2006 at 12:41am BST
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