Comments: Columbus: Resolution B033

The question now: will the coming break-up of TEC and the AC be a Czechoslovakian break-up or a Yugoslavian break-up. We need a Havel at the head of both TEC and the AC to make it the former rather than the latter. I don't think we have one in either position.

This is unfortunate.


Posted by Steven at Wednesday, 21 June 2006 at 8:56pm BST

Now that TEC has given the Anglican Communion its pound of flesh (flesh filet'd off its LGBT members), anyone guess that the +Akinolas and +Wrights and +Nazir-Alis (not to mention +Duncan and +Iker) will be remotely satisfied?


Posted by J. C. Fisher at Wednesday, 21 June 2006 at 9:39pm BST

Well, well, well! God of surprises at the last minute to midnight and some deep insight from the first woman Presiding Bishop. Let's keep praying for the ramifications and responses.

Posted by graham kings at Wednesday, 21 June 2006 at 9:59pm BST

As one of those members who, in the words of J. C. Fisher, has been filet'd, I am uncertain what to make of this. If this will bring reconciliation I am glad for it. Although, I still wonder if such appeasement will have any positive results. Lambeth '98 and The Windsor Report urged all Anglicans to listen to the LGBT community in the Church. Despite this, Archbishop Akinola has openly supported civil criminal laws, not only jailing homosexuals but also those that speak for LGBT rights. Further his disputes with the Church in Brazil and in South Africa indicates an absolute unwillingness to deal with those who have diferent views. Personally I do not see that as listening. This resolution may allow us to "be at the table." But will we be heard? I can only pray that the answer is yes.

Posted by Franklin Moore at Wednesday, 21 June 2006 at 11:25pm BST

So, no moratorium on blessing of gay partnerships, and only a *request* to "exercise restraint" in appointing Bishops whose "manner of life presents a challenge to the wider church" (whatever that means - maybe no more conservative anglo-catholic Bishops in ECUSA?) rather than imposing a Moratorium on gay-partnered bishops (ie the issue that caused the problem).

Anyway, before anyone says that this is just conservatíve nit-picking, I understand that Bishop Chane and other liberals are already openly dissenting, even from B033. Maybe they will decline the "call to exercise restraint".. An effective moritorium would have required a change of Canon, I guess.

Posted by Dave at Wednesday, 21 June 2006 at 11:30pm BST

ps Presumably +Beisner got through justin time, as his three marriages would count in most Anglcans' eyes as a "manner of life [that] presents a challenge to the wider church and will lead to further strains on the communion].

Posted by Dave at Wednesday, 21 June 2006 at 11:34pm BST

I aincerely hope that other conservatives react like you, Dave. The sooner this sorry edifice crashes down, the better!

Posted by Merseymike at Thursday, 22 June 2006 at 12:21am BST

I understand that the network or aac or whatever have issued a statement saying they deplore TEC's refusal to comply with Windsor. They go on to say that they will not agree to gay bishops and they will not bless same sex unions.

Now, they never would have done these things anyway, so what's the deal?

Nobody is compelled to do these things now.

They go on to say that they will offer pastoral succor to those in other dioceses who need it - words to that effect - I don't have the text before me - THUS VIOLATING WINDSOR ON BOUNDARIES.

Just goes to show what appeasing bullies does.

Bishop Chane and the others may well note that the language of what was passed assumes but does not say that gays in monogamous faithful relationships are problematic for confirmation.

The language refers to candidates for bishop
whose manner of life blah blah blah. SO - no bishops elect who are divorced and remarried, no bishops elect who have assets that pay them interest [usury] no bishops who habitually eat shrimp... as my late mother would have said, "This just makes me TIRED."

Posted by Cynthia Gilliatt at Thursday, 22 June 2006 at 12:31am BST

I feel very sad for all those GLBT clergy who are more than qualified to lead but will be passed over for being "unclean?"....
If anyone cares, NPR has an interview from I believe 2005 where +Duncan belittles his deceased lesbian sister. If being straight is the only qualification for being a bishop then we're all in trouble or joining the society of friends.

As for the ABC, maybe he'd like to let Akinola select our bishops for us in TEC? He certainly hasn't said anything about the homosexuality laws enacted, with support from Akinola, in Nigeria. He (ABC) hasn't addressed the border crossing by the Ugandans, Kenyans and Southern Cone into TEC.

Posted by Robert Christian at Thursday, 22 June 2006 at 1:01am BST

JC Fisher writes:
"anyone guess that the +Akinolas and +Wrights and +Nazir-Alis (not to mention +Duncan and +Iker) will be remotely satisfied?"

Puh-leeeze!!! Come on, JC, are you REALLY unable to distinguish the position of + Thomas Dunelm: and + Michael Roffen: from that of Abp. Akinola? For a start, neither prelate advocates throwing homosexuals in the slammer.

Posted by Alan Harrison at Thursday, 22 June 2006 at 1:40am BST

Ah! 'border crossing' - it sounds so ... so transgressive! I LIKE it!

Posted by Steve Watson. at Thursday, 22 June 2006 at 9:28am BST

Steven, I wish someone would cross my border. I live in the Pittsburgh Diocese of Robert Duncan. Please transgress.

Posted by Robert Christian at Friday, 23 June 2006 at 1:06am BST

I'm with Robert Christian above! I live in the Diocese of Dallas and desperately wish we could get some border-crossing going on by the likes of +Steven Charleston or +John Chane ;)

Posted by David Huff at Friday, 23 June 2006 at 5:14pm BST
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