Comments: Central Florida joins in, so does Springfield

Although usually a gift cannot be reclaimed just because the recipient does something the giver does not like, if it was given for a purpose which was specified in writing it cannot usually be used for another. Sometimes bequests even specify that if the land or such is no longer used for the original purpose it must revert to other heirs. All this is likely to make for hefty legal fees and bad publicity.

Posted by Columba Gilliss at Friday, 30 June 2006 at 2:25pm BST

Thump. Another domino falls. And yet, as someone observed, the falling of certain dominoes is rather expected, and perhaps not worthy of a great deal of additional angst given the overall situation. But what is the overall situation?

I recently read a statement, apparently hallowed by time (although I am no guarantor of its antiquity) about the way things work in the Anglican Communion: The Americans pay, the Africans pray, and the English write the resolutions.

The more I see of what the ABC is doing the more I wonder. It seems to me that, as much as anything, everything he does is (or certainly could be interpreted as) aimed at preserving the formula given above. Keep all of the Americans (lib and trad) in and paying, all of the Africans in and praying, and the English will write the resolutions (as usual) on how the whole mess is to be done and governed.


Posted by Steven at Friday, 30 June 2006 at 4:34pm BST

As I watch all of this, I wonder when it will shift from a spiritual debate to a legal one. As an Episcopalian I am grieved at the divide within my Church and the wider Anglican Communion. But, I am also becoming frustrated and am beginning to think more legalistically. As Dioceses seek alternative supervision, I am wondering how that can be accomplished. Like all dioceses in the ECUSA, The Dioceses of Central Florida, Fort Worth et al, were created by the General Convention; They exist because of the ECUSA and are a part of the ECUSA – whether the Bishop wishes it or not. Imagine a Exxon service station owner who, dissatisfied with Exxon’s corporate policies, asked to be under the Supervision of British Petroleum. The owner can leave, the station cannot. Or better yet, can those of us in New York who voted for Kerry, ask that our state be placed under the supervision of the Canadian Government? The fact is that individuals may leave, and I still pray they do not; but if they do they do not get to take the dioceses, the parishes, schools or other property with them.

Posted by Franklin Moore at Friday, 30 June 2006 at 8:12pm BST

Fr. Jake's blog has a long and detailed entry on Bishop John Howe of Central Florida at:

Bp. Howe has a long and "colorful" history with the IRD, Pat Robertson, James Dobson's Focus on the Family group, and the extreme right-wing Truro Church* of the Diocese of Virginia.

* yes, the same church which is now home to the newly minted, "Nigerian" Bishop Martyn Minns of CANA.

Posted by David Huff at Friday, 30 June 2006 at 9:10pm BST

Steven wrote "The Americans pay, the Africans pray, and the English write the resolutions." Given how quickly the ABC could respond to B033, the longer he takes at responding to Nigeria, the less inclined we will be to pay. It is good think that Nigeria has oil, it may curse them with corruption, but at least some cash is coming in. In the future Africa may have to both pray and pay.

Posted by Joe Hauptmann at Saturday, 1 July 2006 at 1:33am BST

Absolutely. Its about time that Africa stopped holding out the begging bowl - let them run their fundamentalist jamboree themselves ( and maybe they could start running their economies efficiently as well rather than blaming the Wicked West for their own failings)

Posted by Merseymike at Saturday, 1 July 2006 at 9:35am BST

'In the future Africa may have to both pray and pay.'
That is exactly how it should be. Dependency and client relationships are not healthy.

Posted by Steve Watson. at Saturday, 1 July 2006 at 12:02pm BST
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