Comments: other US reports on ECUSA

+++Rowan may have to decide whether it is more important to help the episcopal church maintain unity, by refusing to give "aid and comfort" to the rebels within it, or whether it is more important to preserve a fiction of international anglican unity, by continuing to weaking the majority in the episcopal church.

Posted by thomas bushnell, bsg at Saturday, 1 July 2006 at 7:16pm BST

Really not a comment at this point. My Longview, Texas, Saturday morning newspaper is reporting that Christ Church, Plano, Texas, is leaving the Episcopal Church, but they want to keep the Diocese of Dallas bishop as their bishop. All this stuff gets nuttier each day.

Posted by Jimmy Culp at Saturday, 1 July 2006 at 9:16pm BST

I find this kind of action distasteful in the extreme. They have NO idea what kind of a PB Katharine Jefferts Schori will be but want Alternative oversight, 'just in case.'

Fr. Ray McIntyre

Posted by Ray McIntyre at Sunday, 2 July 2006 at 12:45am BST

>>>Christ Church, Plano, Texas, is leaving the Episcopal Church, but they want to keep the Diocese of Dallas bishop as their bishop.

That's so that they can keep their very lavish, expensive building.

Also, of course, affiliating with an African primate could be a real problem for CCP, since their rector is divorced and remarried, a bit of "revisionism" that doesn't go over very well in the "Global South."

Posted by New Here at Sunday, 2 July 2006 at 2:56am BST

Here's an interesting article from the Telegraph, reporting that liberal CoE parishes are preparing to turn to the U.S. and Canada for "alternative primatial oversight" if the two tier plan goes through.

Posted by New Here at Sunday, 2 July 2006 at 3:03am BST

I DEMAND Alternative Political Oversight. I simply cannot tolerate that bumbling incompetent in the White House any longer. New Zealand would suit nicely, thank you.

Posted by Pete at Sunday, 2 July 2006 at 1:39pm BST

Fr. Ray, the mere fact that she's female plus that she gave consent to the ordination of +Gene Robinson was enough to condemn her in conservative eyes. It's a case of "two strikes and you're out" (no third strike allowed).

I wonder if parishes in the CofE who wish oversight from more liberal bishop than their own diocesan would actually be permitted oversight from American bishops? And is there any kind of idea when ++Williams will decide on what to say to the dioceses who have requested his primatial oversight? I wonder why they went to ++Williams instead of to +Akinola or +Orombi, since those two are already very active in American dioceses (with or without the diocesan bishop's permission or approval).

Posted by mumcat at Sunday, 2 July 2006 at 3:41pm BST

They went to Archbishop Williams because he's the one who has the Panel of Reference that they think will tell TEC that it has to let them receive APO. I'd be a little surprised if we heard anything from the Panel earlier than a couple months from now, since they will need to talk to everyone involved and discuss it amongst themselves before they can make a report. Didn't they say something about trying to get word out within 6 months of getting a request in their last statement?


Posted by Jon at Sunday, 2 July 2006 at 11:27pm BST

The Panel of Reference cannot tell anyone to do anything. TEC is an autonomous church, as is the CofE. The Panel can ask or recommend but they have no jurisdiction to tell anyone to do anything. This is the basic fallacy with "alternative primatial oversight." The way the rules work at the moment the primate of your autonomous church is the one you have and the one you are stuck with unless you want to move to another church. If you want to remain in TEC you have no choice primate-wise other than the current PB.

The bishops/dioceses who are currently making a lot of noise about APO have to know that this is a complete novelty impossible under the way things work currently. In my opinion they are asking for it in order to get those who believe them to accept moving to Nigeria or Uganda or wherever once they are told that APO is impossible.

I feel strongly that this course of action is cynical and manipulative and unworthy of the Church of God.

Posted by Nick Finke at Monday, 3 July 2006 at 12:39am BST
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