Comments: General Synod: debates on women bishops: 2

Has a copy of Canon A4 been sent to the Pope?

Perhaps it should renamed the "O yes, we jolly well are!" canon.

Posted by austin at Monday, 10 July 2006 at 3:05pm BST

How important is it that a significant representation of women should be involved in the process? When the Church of England legislates for homosexual christians it doesn't seem to apply this rule of balanced representation on the drafting committee. That is of course presuming that the House of Bishops doesn't at present contain such a 'significant' representation. And IF it does, why was Dr Jeffrey John's consecration opposed?

Posted by Anglicanus at Monday, 10 July 2006 at 8:05pm BST

Anglicanus --

My understanding was that the _official_ reason for the opposition to the appointment of Jeffery John to Reading was his private theological opinion that the the working document "Some Issues in Sexuality" was flawed, although he was willing to abide by it in practice. The real reason was, IMHO, that he was honest (unlike the closeted gay men currently on the Bench of Bishops, but they should have the right to make their own decisions -- I just happen to think that they are making the wrong one about this ...)

Posted by Prior Aelred at Monday, 10 July 2006 at 9:11pm BST

General Synod Motion 2008

The motion as put to Synod was :--

That this Synod, affirms “that those who dissent from, as well as those who assent to the baptism,marriage and ordination of lesbian and gay people to the priesthood and episcopate, are both loyal Anglicans”, and believing that the implications of admitting women to the episcopate will best be discerned by continuing to explore in detail the practical and legislative arrangements:

(a) invite dioceses, deaneries and parishes to continue serious debate and reflection on the theological, practical, ecumenical and missiological aspects of the issue;

(b) invite the Archbishops’ Council, in consultation with the Standing Committee of the House of Bishops and the Appointments Committee, to secure the early appointment of a legislative drafting group, which will aim to include a significant representation of lgbt people in the Spirit of Love, and are charged with:

(i) preparing the draft measure and amending canon necessary to remove the legal obstacles to the consecration of lesbians and gay men to the office of bishop;

(ii) preparing a draft of possible additional legal provision consistent with Canon A4 to establish arrangements that would seek to maintain the highest possible degree of communion with those conscientiously unable to receive the ministry of lgbt bishops;

(iii) submitting the results of its work to the House of Bishops for consideration and submission to Synod; and

(c) instruct the Business Committee to make time available, before first consideration of the draft legislation, for the Synod to consider, in the light of any views expressed by the House of Bishops, the arrangements proposed in the drafting group’s report.

Or shall we have to wait until 2089 for sanity to prevail--let alone chritianity ?

Posted by Laurence Roberts at Monday, 10 July 2006 at 10:34pm BST

John should never have stood down, having received the Royal Assent, he needed no other.

Posted by Laurence Roberts at Monday, 10 July 2006 at 10:37pm BST

Prior Aelred I agree with you, but the gay bishops shouldnt have to do it alone, but with the full support of the C of E bishops. It'd make such a difference to the situation of the Church. Honesty not to say truth, can make such a difference.

Let your Yeah be Yeah

(Matthew's gospel and George Fox )

Posted by Laurence Roberts at Monday, 10 July 2006 at 10:41pm BST

Laurence Roberts --

I agree that full support by the entire Bench of Bishops sounds like a Gospel imperative, but the ecclesiastical closets seem to be constructed in such a manner that they are very difficult indeed to get out of -- OTOH, viewed from afar, the bishops appear to be an unenterprizing lot without having Thatcher to get them worked up about something. But the appointment process would seem to militate against extremists (admittedly, most do).

Posted by Prior Aelred at Monday, 10 July 2006 at 11:51pm BST
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