Comments: General Synod: question about Prisons

So the CEN article was another example of conservative scaremongering, of a self-understanding which assumes the role of persecuted champion of the faith regardless of whether there's evidence to support that assertion. Depressing, but hardly unexpected.

Posted by mynsterpreost at Thursday, 13 July 2006 at 8:31am BST

The CEN has a permanent persecution complex - it can't come to terms with the fact that the Church has become marginalised largely because of the line it takes and which they support. Yesterday's opinions for yeasterday's people.

I suppose thats what comes of being 'counter-cultural' in a reactionary direction.

Posted by Merseymike at Thursday, 13 July 2006 at 11:07am BST

I am not a fan of Andrew Carey but I believe the issue of christian faith in prisons, and fath centred regimes, needs careful inspection, and ctitiquing from those who pursue a liberal as well as a conservative agenda.

I fear the leadership of the Prison Service Chaplaincy has an agenda run by the glossy magazines, objectives, targets etc. of Prison Service management rather than being a prophetic challenge to the iniquitous British prison system.

I am sure Christian based life courses can contribute to rehabilitation of SOME offenders.

Posted by James at Saturday, 15 July 2006 at 11:23pm BST

Thanks for this.
I am wondering if there is something we could do, or begin to think of doing, as a witness of the iniquitous British prison system ? It concerns me very much.

Posted by Laurence gofalus Roberts at Sunday, 16 July 2006 at 2:33pm BST

I have been thinking of the reports on the Inner Change program. They object to being turned-down. None of us like that.

What has come to mind , is the thought that fundamentalist & fundamentalist-inclined people, seem to be chaffing against structures of decision-making, accoutability & authority; & indeed, attacking and undrmining them, whenever a decsion is made with which they are not happy.

Examples :

* when they were out argued, & out-voted in a democratic body, like the GC of ECUSA, both this year & last time. Also, the New Hampshire diocesan process which brought forth and Consecrated Gene Robinson.

* when Church & State appointed Jefrey John, a group apparently led by Philip Giddings launched a campaign against the appointment, with financial threats against the diocese & Bishop of Oxford, if their demands were not implemented. A treasonous campaign it was too, in the State Church.

* I think the rot, may have set in, when, for the first time one group were offered their own (airborn) bishops; & a hermetically-sealed area, where in fantasy, they could be preserved from the impurity to be wrought by women minisiters, whom they dubbed 'priestesses'. Up until then, since the Elizabethan Settlement, everyone had rubbed along under their diocesan structures & bishop. The generosity of this arrangment (-not to mention compesation to enable the most consistent to go to (or in some cases, daytrip) to Rome), has not been conspicuously recognised by this group, and indeed, I believe they have used their sanctuary as a base to work against the ministry of women. All mention of " the two integrities" having evapourated soon as the ink was dry. Shame that--I think'the two integrites' was a beautiful & useful concept. And why limit it to two ?!

Perhaps you can think of further examples of how structures of decision-making & accountability,are undermined, by guerilla tactics in prisons, synods & General Conventions by those who disapprove of the decisions, though validly arrived at, by due process ?

Posted by Laurence Roberts at Saturday, 22 July 2006 at 2:30pm BST
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