Comments: Has any Ahmanson money reached the UK?

It should be noted that the amounts of money cited in this are far in excess of what is ever available to Integrity in the US.

I don't have the latest budget figures as published in the last edition of our news magazine, but be assured, it's the other folks who have the big bucks. I think our budget is available on the Integrity website, which the curious may easily find.

Thus when the other side cites with paranoid fear the vast homsexual-agenda propaganda machine, I have to laugh.

Maybe it's not our very limited money that has gained us allies and supporters, but the justice of our cause.

Posted by Cynthia Gilliatt at Sunday, 10 September 2006 at 3:51am BST

Where's Madame Lefarge when you need her?

Posted by New Here at Sunday, 10 September 2006 at 9:21am BST

If you pronounce INFEMIT as one would in French, the final 't' is silent. Seems appropriate.

Posted by Ford Elms at Sunday, 10 September 2006 at 10:06pm BST

Cynthia

Don't forget to remember God's grace. The problems of mistreating women and GLBTs has been going on for centuries (rippling out from the tolerance of slandering of Eve and dodging responsbility). If things have changed in recent times, it is from God's grace and not our own works. If we forget that, everything we have done will unravel faster than you can say "where did it go?"

I love Zechariah 4:6 "‘Not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit,’ says the LORD Almighty."

Posted by Cheryl Clough at Sunday, 10 September 2006 at 10:13pm BST

Every time I try to put away my tinfoil hat, I have to get it out again.

Repeating the same silly conspiracy theories about the scary IRD That is Seeking To Take Over the World doen't improve with age. In fact, it just gets sillier.

As I recall, Diane Knippers - the late president of scary IRD - found lodging at the YMCA in downtown Denver during General Convention 2000 - not exactly the Top of the Mark. At General Convention 2003 she was in the middle of chemo treatments for the cancer that eventually took her life - but she never gave up until the Lord took her home. Wonder why didn't that make it into Naughton's happy little Tin Foil Hat Report?

What about Faith Macdonnell who works faithfully and tirelessly to defend the persecuted church in the Sudan - long before anyone even knew where the Sudan is? Why doesn't the happy little tin foil report mention that?

Okay, so I have my tin foil hat on and I'm playing tin foil hat song. Wake me when it's over.

bb

Posted by BabyBlue at Sunday, 10 September 2006 at 10:38pm BST

Um, so, policital operatives like the late Ms. Knippers, or the current staff and directors of the AAC and IRD, are proven not to be political operatives because they stay in budget-conscious accommodations? Brilliant!

The IRD, of which the AAC is a wholly-owned subsidiary, has a verifiable history, BabyBlue. The reason we Americans like to get at truth by "following the money" is because it works so well. Think Watergate; think Iran-Contra (which, incidentally, the IRD actively advocated on the death-squad side of the Central American conflicts); think corporate scandals such as Enron.

Beyond all that, we have volumes of published information (in many cases published by the AAC and allies) outlining the AAC's agenda (this website being one of the best resources on the planet for that published information); and yet you still feebly attempt to refer to this as "silly conspiracy theories"? That's just jaw-droppingly absurd.

Posted by Jay at Sunday, 10 September 2006 at 11:56pm BST

I'm truly sorry that Diane Knippers lost her battle with cancer, but that sorrow doesn't preclude my labelling her aggressive actions against TEC as disingenuous and evil. Spare me the drama, BB, and hire a new rector for Truro.

Posted by John D at Monday, 11 September 2006 at 12:34am BST

As for the Sudan, the Diocese of Virginia has been active for some considerable time working with the Diocese of Renk. Helped build their cathedral. Continue to have a priest of ours over there with with for the duration. Starting new projects with them.

As for IRD and tinfoil hats ... sometimes when it walks and quacks like a duck, it is a duck. All you need to see that are eyes and an open mind.

Wish people like the ABC would take off - not their tinfoil hats - but whatever blinders that they are wearing and see what's here - a well documented, well coordinated effort to substitute an alternative Anglican 'brand' for TEC, including constant boundary incursions by allegedly 'orthodox' bishops and their pawns who violate diocesan boundaries in contravention not only of Windsor but Nicea, which, for my money, has prior authority.

Posted by Cynthia Gilliatt at Monday, 11 September 2006 at 12:42am BST

What's weird about bb's comment is that neither the article published here, nor any of the comments prior to bb, even mentions IRD.

Posted by Simon Sarmiento at Monday, 11 September 2006 at 9:00am BST

The article above refers to Jim Naughton and the Diocese of Washington's "Follow the Money" article, which of course is all about scary IRD taking over the world. Now it is interesting that the above parts omit IRD. Perhaps the word is finally out how silly these conspiracy theories sound and so they are trying a brand new angle to start all over again.

By the way, where does Matthew Fox and his gang get their money? Ever checked that one out? Maybe we can start another conspiracy theory with that one - it outght to be a doozy! In fact, perhaps we should have a contest to see who can write the best conspiracy theory and award them their own personal tinfoil hat. After all, t might come in handy.

bb

Posted by BabyBlue at Monday, 11 September 2006 at 5:40pm BST

bb,

I'm reminded less of a tinfoil hat, and more of a tinned *mirror*, which you're using to try and blind us to the facts.

Do you dispute the $ amounts given by Ahmanson, or don't you? [Ascetic (by your standards) accommodations could well help channel those $ to more/better agit-prop!]

Posted by J. C. Fisher at Monday, 11 September 2006 at 8:26pm BST

I don't even get bb's baiting. Maybe it's the "if I ignore the facts and say 'silly' 48 more times it will become true"?

Posted by Jay at Monday, 11 September 2006 at 8:31pm BST

Actually, all of IRD's tax returns are available at www.guidestar.org. If you look at the lists of places to which they have given money, and then look at their returns, you can make your own judgments.

Posted by MaryO at Monday, 11 September 2006 at 10:46pm BST

Thank you for that link, MaryO. Even though, for the past three years, I have requested and received, by snail mail, the Form 990's from the AAC and the IRD (and received them in reasonable time) (and made my own judgments), I registered on guidestar.org.

The first thing I noticed on the IRD's record is the classification: "NTEE Code R60 (Civil Liberties Advocacy)" http://www.guidestar.org/pqShowGsReport.do?userHomePage=false&npoId=645689

ROFL!!! The irony is -- well, pardon me for being redundant -- jaw-droppingly absurd. Detail for code R60 from http://nccsdataweb.urban.org/PubApps/nteeSearch.php?gQry=R60

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[category] R - Civil Rights, Social Action & Advocacy
Private nonprofit organizations whose primary purpose is to protect and promote the broad civil rights of groups and civil liberties of individuals, to work for the realization of specific social or political goals or to encourage the participation of people in the public policy debate.

Scope notes: USE Major Group R for legal rights organizations that use the courts to secure civil rights and liberties; USE Legal Services (I80) for organizations that focus on or provide legal services to individuals.

Includes: Organizations that work to improve relations between racial, ethnic, and cultural groups; advocacy and citizen action groups that work to change public policy and opinion in a variety of areas; organizations that use courts to protect and enlarge civil rights and liberties; and organizations that promote voter education and registration.

Excludes: Animal rights groups, (see D-Animal Related); or groups using advocacy as a method to achieve goals in a particular subject area such as food, housing and education. In these cases, use the common code 01 in the appropriate major group area.

[subcategory] R60 - Civil Liberties (NAICS: 813)
Organizations that protect the rights of people guaranteed by the Constitution and promote the passage of laws or other social measures that extend individual rights or more effectively protect them. Use this code for organizations that advocate for a wide variety of civil liberties or for specific rights that are not specified below.

Key words: Academic Freedom; Bill of Rights; Civil Liberties; Constitutional Rights; Criminal Rights; Cyber-Liberties; Death Penalty Advocacy; Death Penalty Issues; Due Process; Freedom of Association; Freedom of Information; Freedom of Religion; Gun Control Advocacy; Legal Rights; Library Censorship; Political Rights; Right of Assembly; Right to Bear Arms; Right to Privacy

Scope notes: Includes: Death penalty issues; Due process; Freedom of information; Freedom of religion; and the Right to privacy.
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Now THAT's silly!!! And somewhat sad. I think even bb can read between the lines.

Posted by Jay at Tuesday, 12 September 2006 at 12:31am BST

It seems to me that Michael Fox gets money from (a) writing books that people want to buy, presumably to read, and by (b) having booked paying speaking engagements. It's hard to whip up a conspiracy up out of that.

Some very sophisticated political public relations campaigns have been arranged over the years by people trying to "make their own reality". How many times have we heard of the immanent forcible disenrollment of TEC out of the Communion? At last report it's supposed to happen at the next Primate's Meeting. Just like it was supposed to happen at the *last* Primate's Meeting. Or the one before that.

Posted by ruidh at Tuesday, 12 September 2006 at 12:45am BST

One does have to wonder who finances the conservative African Primates to all these cosy get-together Meeting of the GAFCON. I'm sure their own provicncial funds don't stretch that far.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Wednesday, 29 August 2012 at 1:11am BST
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