Comments: Saturday Opinions

Klein and Coopers' article on forgiveness seems pertinent to these times. Coincidentally, Oprah had a show last week with a case study of a woman who had married a pathological liar. The show looked at how she had coped with the emotional pain of finding out apalling stuff (e.g. sister was ex-wife, dead parents were still alive), which also links into Strange's article.

There is a common thread that weaves back to the fracas in the communion. In the Oprah show they they discussed how it was only possible to remain as his wife, despite his abuse and lies, by allowing part of her psyche to "die".

This is one of the problems with socipaths - there is never an end to forgiveness, there is always the possiblity of another "surprise". One of my early lessons is that it is easy to forgive past sins, but if the perpetrator is going to continue the abuse into the present, then there is a need to move on. That will happen with the Anglican communion too, there will be those who consider homosexuality a fundamental sin and will move on to a church that bans it. Others will say it is only one of many examples of how we ALL fall short of God's glory and we do our best to help them lead reverential lives, the same as we do everyone else.

Posted by Cheryl Clough at Saturday, 30 September 2006 at 7:20pm BST

Of course, these folks aren't the one being abused. I have yet to see someone opposed to inclusion of non-celibate homosexuals get bullied for their stance, beat up, put in prison, murdered, or kill themselves. Looking around, it seems more and more queer folk come to the conclusion that the perpetrator, in this case, the Church won't stop, and they leave.

Posted by *Christopher at Sunday, 1 October 2006 at 4:18pm BST

Hi again CherylC and all, I always enjoy your CC posts, although admittedly your widely read scope of connotation often reminds me how far behind I am in my own neglected reading lists.

If we wish to speculate about just how the realigned Anglican Communion is meant to be, at least in the USA, if not perhaps also around the world, we have to factor in lots of elements, including the unexpected and the many things which actually cannot be controlled by right-leaning believer theories, their claims to be exclusively biblical notwithstanding.

At the bottom of the article links I found a link to this new movie on the USA believer right - and especially their youth education/training efforts.


Posted by drdanfee at Sunday, 1 October 2006 at 5:42pm BST

The most troubling thing about this new Anglican conserved movement continues to be its closed approach to anything important, and its totalisms of mind and body and heart, and its consistent tendencies to think in categorical Either/Or narratives. These habits of mind, heart, and body and community will, above all, undo or effectively dissolve the real historical complexities of which it has traditionally meant to be an Anglican believer. Canterbury had better be prepared to talk to itself in all the local mirrors, while being daily redacted as nothing but legal-penal support for the new realigned Anglican party covenant line.

Yet the progressive pilgrimage will continue, even if we just have to learn more about how to follow Jesus while being defined as outside of the newly realigned conservative Anglican worldwide frames.

Commanded to make bricks without straw. Scornfully shown the hungry five thousand standing around waiting, while people who style themselves biblical believers point to our pitiful little basket of progressive loaves and fishes.

A loss, a gain, an invitation to depart in shame and condemnation and false witness defamations of character; and also an invitation to journey, alone and together, in faith, keeping faith depite having been further deprived of official institutional resources or opportunities.

Perhaps following Jesus has already taught us lots about just how to do this, and maybe we should try to move forward without being totally defined by the new conservative realignment war definitions.

Posted by drdanfee at Sunday, 1 October 2006 at 5:48pm BST

drdanfee. It isn't necessarily a case of being well read, but of recognising public examples of hard learnt private lessons. Practical experience makes it easier to recognise when others are going through the same thing. For example, both my sister and I had a lot of empathy with that Austrian girl who was kept a virtual prisoner for eight years. It is possible to be in a state of bondage even though one appears to be moving normally through society, sociopaths can engineer things privately so that publicly there is not a hint of what goes on behind closed doors. This kind of abuse happens more easily where there is no accountability of the "authority" figures - families, businesses, the military, churches. That is one of the reasons I like Isaiah 49 so much, it brings in the idea that every single soul has someone who is able to hold another to account and "redeem" them. I also like Ezekiel 28, because God reminds us that not even guardian cherubs are above being disciplined.

Posted by Cheryl Clough at Monday, 2 October 2006 at 9:02am BST

Ah dear CC, it is this active upwelling of the personal into our political-social-institutional, the scripture read through the eyes of variant believers who have unpredicted experiences of redemption against all external-institutional-social-family odds that would be narrowed, undone, and defined as heresy by our newly realigned instruments of communion.

The really good news still is that Jesus is teaching outside the temple, just as much as inside.

Do keep on keeping on, as some of us continue to talk, pray, and journey, one with another. Neither Africa, nor Asia, nor Canterbury can actually stop that, and I think that is exactly why they are so afraid and need this newish confessional conformity push, if they are afraid.

Posted by drdanfee at Monday, 2 October 2006 at 3:32pm BST

I came across this article while doing the news research this morning:

The article opens with "Ambassador (Rev) Elizabeth Ogbon-Day, a Baptist cleric, is Nigeria’s first woman envoy and a strong advocate of social justice." Her comments about helping the Niger-Delta are interesting, and I note that she too has a passion for accountability at all levels of society as a means of overcoming corruption; and she suggests the voices of women, children and the grassroots need to be heard if they are to overcome intransigent problems. The other thing that struck me is that her description of living conditions in the Niger-delta parallels Mark Wallace's assessments of the US's Chester. It appears it is okay to megaslums that absorb the filth of creating our "affluence".

Posted by Cheryl Clough at Monday, 2 October 2006 at 9:58pm BST
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