Comments: What size is NACDAP really?

So far as I know, the Convocation for Anglicans in North America consists of Bishop Minns and, I suppose, his family. I could be quite wrong. Perhaps that is where some of the 'discerning' churches will try and head.

Yesterday Bishop Lee issued a statement about the consequences those wishing to leave should be aware of. I would be glad to have it posted for those interested - I suspect it is up on the diocesan website, but have not looked. That URL is http://www.thediocese.net

Posted by Cynthia Gilliatt at Saturday, 2 December 2006 at 6:38pm GMT

Being in a network diocese (Albany NY) parishes are automatically enrolled in the network as you say above... but even parishes that have offically (by parish resolution) removed themselves from that association and communicated same to the diocese are still listed on that site. The whole thing is a shameful sham to prove numbers and gain power... clever and shameful. The secretary of our diocese advised that if you are not interested in being a part of the network, do nothing... nothing is necessary... there is nothing you have to do because we (in the diocese) are members. In other words fall asleep to it.

I've tried to remove my name from the network's mailing list but still receive mail.

Posted by Mark Diebel at Saturday, 2 December 2006 at 8:08pm GMT

Mark Diebel is spot on when he writes: "Being in a network diocese (Albany NY) parishes are automatically enrolled in the network as you say above... but even parishes that have offically (by parish resolution) removed themselves from that association and communicated same to the diocese are still listed on that site. The whole thing is a shameful sham to prove numbers and gain power... clever and shameful."

No wonder given the leadership of deceitful Network bishops who, out of their own free will, vowed obedience to the Constitution & Canons of the Episcopal Church at the time of their consecration in the mid-1980s-90s, notwithstanding the fact that they were already in a state of 'impaired' communion with the Episcopal Church over certain issues, such as Prayer Book revision and/or the Ordination of Women. What person with a modicum of personal integrity would accept ordination as a Bishop in the Church of God from a denomination the ordinant considers 'apostate' or in violation of Holy Scripture?

Posted by John Henry at Saturday, 2 December 2006 at 8:57pm GMT

"Baghdad" +Bob's faith-based math reminds one of "Common Cause Partner" AMiA, which went into its first weekend conference with one reported membership number and emerged on Monday with another 2,000...as if by magic!

Of course that's still a thousand less than in Acts 2:41, and they are probably not counting the 7,000 Anglican faithful no doubt hiding in abandoned mines in Western Pennsylvania who have not bowed the knee to Baal (I Kings 19:18 for you apostate EpagaPalians)...

Posted by Miracle Max at Saturday, 2 December 2006 at 10:15pm GMT

This is my first exposure to "Baghdad Bob," a good tag. Our local name for the Network folks is "Duncan's Donats."

Humor is so badly needed in these rough times!

Posted by Robert Dodd at Sunday, 3 December 2006 at 1:12am GMT

And even of the parishes in ACN dioceses that *haven't* formally repudiated membership in ACN---

Surely, no one can suppose that EVERY MEMBER of ALL THOSE PARISHES endorse the ACN in their (schismatic) actions???

[i.e., whether it's "200,000" or "175,000", that # of individual "Episcopal Christians" is BUNK . . . not that raw #s matter anyway! ;-p]

One more time: we in TEC have *method* of discernment, and it's called GENERAL CONVENTION (love it or hate it). Drawing up mailing lists of the (supposedly) disgrunted is irrelevant!

Posted by J. C. Fisher at Sunday, 3 December 2006 at 3:25am GMT

What Mark Diebel described is happening in other, so-called "Network Dioceses" as well. Here in the Dio. of Dallas, three parishes have published stmts from their Vestries disavowing any affiliation with the ACN (incl. the second largest parish in Dallas, with over 2,000 congregants). And the largest parish in the diocese is famous for being a "broad tent" Episcopal church with no interest in the ACN agenda.

Without even a bit of hard research, I'm confident in saying that 30% of Episcopalians in our diocese shouldn't be counted in the Network's figures - and if push comes to shove (e.g. if the bishop tries to lead the diocese out of TEC), I bet the percentage would go higher...

A "shameful sham" indeed.

Posted by David Huff at Monday, 4 December 2006 at 1:38am GMT

When Albany's Convention voted to affiliate with the Network in June, 2004, 40% of lay delegations and a quarter of clergy voted no -- that while the Network's game plan was still no more than a leak-based rumor. Although only a half dozen of 100+ parishes in the DOA have voted to dissociate from the Network, we have every reason to believe that many more would support a resolution to back away from it. May they soon have a chance to do so!

Posted by Robert Dodd at Monday, 4 December 2006 at 1:34pm GMT
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