Comments: SOR debate tonight in House of Lords

'Coherent and Cohesive Voice'.
"We have received no representations from this group."

They'd rather advertise in The Times and spread misinformation in the media-- I must assume.

My theory :
to have made an offical representation to HM Governement, they would have had to come out as to their true identity. It seems cowardly and a tad sinisiter that such facelss people shoul;d make such allegations, under cover of the secrecy, afforded them by their C & C V nom de plume. Perhaps the legal people behind it have broken their professional code by this behaviour, or compromised their professional neutrality.

I shouldn't wish to use them, myself.

Posted by laurence at Tuesday, 9 January 2007 at 8:40pm GMT

Respectfully inquire as to what the right honorable "Lord Lester of Herne Hill" has up his wazoo? His Lordship seems a tad obsessed!

Posted by JCF at Tuesday, 9 January 2007 at 10:33pm GMT

He was getting the true position clarified and on the record before the Lord's Debate and vote. I should have said. Thus dispensing with some of the worse misinformation disseminated by fundamentalist. It is a strategic thing, in the service of human rights.

Posted by laurence at Tuesday, 9 January 2007 at 11:54pm GMT

The religious hatred currently being shown by many secularist liberals and gay rights supporters and campaigners especially towards Christians is appalling. It's ironic for a group of people who claim to know what it was like to be persecuted are now the persecutors, Except their venom and hatred is a 100 times more than anything ever shown to them as far as I can see.
Christians have no right to judge anyone as we are all sinners and fall short of the glory of God. One day we will all be judged for our sins that includes homosexuals and heterosexuals, people of faith and those of no faith. Real Christians believe we are all equal before God.

The new Sexual Orientation Regulations are unnecessary as there is already plenty of legislation in place to stop discrimination to protect homosexuals. These new laws are about rubbing peoples religious beliefs in the dirt. Telling them what they can believe and how they can live their beliefs, even to the point of forcing people to act against their beliefs. Now where is the equality in that? Do two wrongs make a right? If the respect is not mutual, but only one way, that what is it worth?

During the last few days of the SOR debate I have heard nothing but aggressive divisive words coming from those who claim to represent the oppressed homosexuals, is this helpful in an open free democracy? Or is it true that liberals are only liberal when you agree with them; anyone who dares to hold a different view or hold different beliefs and values should be treated with the utmost contempt and hatred. Please tell me how this makes you any better than the people you love to criticise?

Simon Icke, Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire. UK

Posted by Simon Icke at Thursday, 11 January 2007 at 2:42pm GMT

But if what you say is true, Simon, then there is no more reason for a Conservative Evangelical Christian guest house owner to discriminate against a gay couple than against someone who owns shares in British American Tobacco or Tesco supermarkets or is guilty of any other 'sin' (by which I mean behaviour which the Fathers or Scripture might call into question).

The ConsEv response to all this seems to have created a special category of particularly odious sin for gays, which means that their consciences are not to be afforded the same respect as the Born Again President who cheerfully builds new generations of WMDs (not that I'm suggesting that Dubya is likely to roll up at Mrs Terrible's Christian B&B in Ambleside).

As the letter of James warns, such an attitude, privileging one above another,risks the accusation of making oneself into an unjust judge.

Either every Christian guest house owner demands to see documentary proof of the married status of their guests, plus an undertaking that they are not going to engage in any abominable practices, or they quit whining.

Posted by mynsterpreost (=David Rowett) at Thursday, 11 January 2007 at 5:09pm GMT

I know I shouldn't but the reductio ad absurdum of much ConsEv protest is a cross between Kafka and Python.

Devout Vatican watchers can demand that married couples toss their oral contraception into a bin in reception, while poking a long needle into their toilet bags in case of hidden condoms.

Those hoteliers of a particularly conservative Orthodox tradition (look at byzantine.net) can insist that guests sign a declaration that they are trying for a family, and if the lady looks to be post-menopausal they should be able to refuse to provide a double bed anyway.

Pacifists should demand that guests present a breakdown of their share/pension portfolio to ensure that Raytheon, British Aerospace and the like don't get chance to contaminate their takings.

Wee Wee Frees up in the wilds of Scotland should be able to apply a sort of religious Test Act before bedtime: "Are you, or have you ever been aquainted with a Roman Catholic?"

I'd better stop, satire was never my strong point.

Posted by mynsterpreost (=David Rowett) at Thursday, 11 January 2007 at 5:24pm GMT

David Icke's posting moves me. It must have been awful for him to witness such goings-on and distress.

I just hope I shall never have to witness these poor Chritians suffering so terribly at the hands of these venomous liberals and unsympathetic gays.

we homos should just be glad we are no longer sent to jail, I ween.

Posted by laurence at Friday, 12 January 2007 at 12:43am GMT
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