Comments: General Synod - outline agenda for February

Well 700 is good but tame, hardly likely to make much difference, and then at the other end 701 wants to introduce that Puritan idea of "godly discipline" - those who know their Puritan history recall "godly ministers applying godly discipline" such as stopping people fishing on a Sunday. Now it is about bedtime.

710, the multifaith one, wants to investigate good practice to tell people of other faiths about salvation through Christ alone. I think the word I'm searching for here regarding good practice with that message amongst other faithful people is "the door" - from the inside. Just imagine it, among say my Buddhist friends busy with meditation with such a godly minister arriving telling them something like that. Oh - *good* practice, I see. Send them a postcard.

Posted by Pluralist at Sunday, 14 January 2007 at 3:17pm GMT

I actually take issue with motion 705 about disagreements in the media. This is a blatent attempt at censorship. It is a return to the reputation of the church must remain intact above all else. Anything that might damage the church's reputation must not be talked about. No matter how repressive, corrupt or cruel. It denies the possibility of prophetic suffering being aired in the public arena. A person wailing in the street and crying that the church leaders had actually helped their abusers would be condemned by this motion.

At a higher level, in the rules of the game between the advocates. If a point is not publicly aired, then the accusser can claim that the problem does not exist and that it is merely one soul who is playing the victim or a liar or mentally disturbed.

It's not just humans butts who have been kicked in the last couple of years. The suffering of Jesus and his churches (and thus all of humanity) will not end until the light of life is acknowleged and Jesus is satisfied - see Isaiah 53:11.

Any who hinder this reconciliation are not Jesus or his childrens' friends.

The two current worst forms of hindering are "reputation" at all costs, and narrow minded scriptural interpretations that dismiss whole tracts from the holy texts because they are politically inconvenient.

Posted by Cheryl Clough at Sunday, 14 January 2007 at 8:11pm GMT

Neither 705 nor 710 is scheduled for debate at this session. Indeed, unless they obtain wide support among members (typically at least 100 signatures) they may never be debated.

Posted by Simon Sarmiento at Sunday, 14 January 2007 at 9:29pm GMT

710 ‘That this Synod request the House of Bishops to report to the Synod on their understanding of the uniqueness of Christ in Britain's multi-faith society, and offer examples and commendations of good practice in sharing the gospel of salvation through Christ alone with people of other faiths and of none.’

The word 'alone' following 'Christ' seems to my mind, an attempt to limit Christ, tie his hands, tell him how to do it. Yet, presumably this petitioner would be happy for Christ to save usinmg the CofE and other denominations -- I know it seems a tall order--yet we must hope.

But why then may Christ --bearing in mind all his offices --- why might he not use some other worshipping, exploring, truth seeking, love making body ? Might he not use the worth-ship of sunagogues, mosques, temples, gudwaras on the one hand; & the worth-ship of scientiific, artistic, etc., bodies including our brethren and sisiters of the South Place Ethical Society; and reading groups, festivals, kariokie evenings, pubs,back rooms, drag shows,sports events, and cymanfoedd ganu around the land ? Also songs, books radio and tv shows and sundry gigs ? I rather imagine all the folks caught up in all this, will have much to share with the rest of us ....

I am happy to say that my experience and sense of this is that the Christ Spirit can't be restrained now any more than before.

Posted by laurence at Sunday, 14 January 2007 at 9:45pm GMT

Sorry. I had to chuckle at the typing error: sunagogues. I could design one, where we can look agog at the sun. I'd ask my recent Kanai(Messianic Jewish - Yehoshua or Jesus is Messiah) friend about the dimensions of such a sunagogue, so it can be of the proper Temple dimensions (she says like just about every mosque ever built).

Posted by Pluralist at Monday, 15 January 2007 at 1:37am GMT

Simon. Thanks for letting us know about the minimum signature requirement. That helped put my mind at ease.

I've spent the day fuming about church leaders who have decreed that the gift of prophecy has not been meted out or required since Jesus' incarnation.

Rather, what has been happening for centuries is that the church's reputation must remain in place at all costs, and the prophetic role of questioning the corruption and integrity of the priestly castes has been suppressed. The idea of the prophets is they are the "party poopers", who sound the warning bells before things go too far off the rails.

Considering some of the abominal Christian (and some other religions') history, it probably is worth reinstating some kind of prophetic warning and appeal system. There hasn't been an effective one for a long time. A bit like the tsunami warning system for SE Asia. It would save a lot of lives and hardship if people could realise they were getting into dangerous waters before things escalated too ridiculous levels.

Posted by Cheryl Clough at Monday, 15 January 2007 at 6:32am GMT

The signature requirement is actually stronger than Simon says. If a private member's motion has less than 100 signature after 3 meetings of Synod it is dropped from the agenda. It (or anything similar) cannot then be reintroduced during the lifetime of the Synod. So, for example, motion 705 needs another 79 signatures in February to stay on the agenda.

Posted by Peter Owen at Monday, 15 January 2007 at 10:17am GMT
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