Comments: more on the "Windsor" statistics

When the Diocese of Albany voted to affiliate with the Network in June, 2004, 40% of parish deputies and 25% of clergy voted no. It's unlikely that the Network has gained ground here since then.

I have it from a contact in South Carolina that about 40% of folks in pews are solid for the TEC, though only 10% of parishes are.

Duncan's numbers are almost pure fiction. Pity they seem to have impressed +++Rowan.

Posted by Robert at Tuesday, 27 February 2007 at 2:55pm GMT

When it comes to statistical majorities, I guess "Athanasius contra mundum" would mean we should all be Arians. :-(

Posted by John Richardson at Tuesday, 27 February 2007 at 6:04pm GMT

If you repeat any fiction often enough it will eventually appear in print or online and once it appears in print or online it is then THE TRUTH.

Posted by Newlin at Tuesday, 27 February 2007 at 7:39pm GMT

Dear friends,

Elizabeth Keaton at http://telling-secrets.blogspot.com/
and Mad Priest at http://revjph.blogspot.com/
have each two responses from Bp. V. Gene Robinson regarding the "Season of Fasting" and with a "Word of Hope". Mad Priest likes his layout better, but Liz K. has color photos!
Enjoy.
Lois Keen

Posted by Lois Keen at Tuesday, 27 February 2007 at 7:56pm GMT

When it comes to statistical majorities, I guess "Athanasius contra mundum" would mean we should all be Arians. :-(

Posted by: John Richardson on Tuesday, 27 February 2007 at 6:04pm GMT

Some of us are !

Good to have religious freedom.
Freedom from those who would look into our souls --- be yhey bishops of Rome, archbishops of Canterbury, or Canterbury Curias .....


Posted by Laurence Roberts at Tuesday, 27 February 2007 at 10:45pm GMT

Some of us are [Arians]!

Posted by: Laurence Roberts on Tuesday, 27 February 2007 at 10:45pm GMT

Just when I thought 'Thinking Anglicans' had no surprises left! (Doesn't it, though, negate the title if some of the people here, indeed, deny the Trinity?)

Posted by John Richardson at Wednesday, 28 February 2007 at 12:26am GMT

Laurence, 'religious freedom' means you don't have to be an Anglican. But subscription to the Niceno-Constantipolitan Creed is part of the definition of Anglicanism, just as neo-Arianism ('the Word was a god') is part of Jehovah's Witnesses belief.
What Quakers believe, noone can say, not even Quakers (except Yorba Linda Friends Church and a few others). But you are gentle people, God bless you.

Posted by Steve Watson. at Wednesday, 28 February 2007 at 11:35am GMT

My understanding is Quakers like Unitarians have a lot of leave way with regards to beliefs.

On the numbers, my old home parish is firmly network but thats because most of the people are orthodox. On the other hand if they had to choose a new American Province or TEC, many would choose TEC. Supporting the argument against women's ordination or an inclusive church is one thing but not being able to call yourself Episcopalian, thats not an option.

Now there are some parishes in Pittsburgh that are pretty homogenious on the question of Network or TEC but I tend to think more are a mixed bag. IMHO

Bob

Posted by BobinWashPA at Wednesday, 28 February 2007 at 2:18pm GMT

And do you think that there is no support for the Network agenda in parishes located within "revisionist" dioceses? There are parishes as well as individuals who, given a chance to remain part of the AC, would align themselves with a new province and divorce themselves from TEC. The "over count" may actually understate the level of disagreement and dissatisfaction with TEC's leadership and its novelties. Threats of deposition and forfeiture of parish facilities have kept some on the sideline waiting for rescue.

Posted by Dave at Wednesday, 28 February 2007 at 3:06pm GMT

Robert:

I don't dispute the fact that there are minorities (in some cases sizable) in windsor parishes and dioceses that are anti-windsor. However, isn't it also safe to assume that there may also be minorities (in some cases sizable) in non-windsor parishes and dioceses that are pro-winsor?

Steven

Posted by Steven at Wednesday, 28 February 2007 at 3:17pm GMT

Stephen and John lighten up !

So glad to have been the innocent (?) cause of such surprise and such evident interest ! Augurs well for a process of listening : - )

For myself, I am captivated by the sorely neglected (in Church circles) message of JESUS and the call to discipleship.

I have never come to terms with this neglect, or why crooning to him ("Lord,Lord" perhaps?!) should take up so much time and energy, rather than a listening process to his message and an imaginative application of it to us individually and corporately.

Personal word to John & Stephen -- you accuse me of denying the divinity of Jesus. Let me tell you that I have never denied the divinity of any man.

Posted by Laurence Roberts at Wednesday, 28 February 2007 at 6:12pm GMT

Ha, ha, Laurence - nice one - good to know someone still reads Robertson Smith. You have a delightful ragbag of mutually contradictory ideas (take that, Aristotle!), like a modern RE syllabus, none of which is followed through logically or historically. Still, that's progressive '60s education for you. 'All you need is love ...'
Hinduism isn't an Anglican option either. Ask any convert.

Posted by Steve Watson. at Thursday, 1 March 2007 at 6:51am GMT

Bless you too, Steve.

SO Glad you got my little 'ommage to RS!Thank you, How lovely. Glad you read / have read and retained him.

'all you need is love' --- nice summary of Jesus' message

thanks !

btw

have you come across Bede Griffiths osb 's Catholic-Hindu ashram in India ? Although Bede has moved on, now, there are some great things going on there still, I understand - on the christology front among others.

Posted by Laurence Roberts at Thursday, 1 March 2007 at 1:41pm GMT

"The bishop's blog" on the website of the diocese of Upper South Carolina quotes a January 13th 2007 resolution of the Diocesan Executive Committee as stating that "the Right Rev’d Dorsey F. Henderson, Jr., Bishop of the Diocese of Upper South Carolina, has proclaimed his commitment to be a “Windsor bishop of a Windsor diocese”."

http://upperscvii.wordpress.com/

Posted by Lapinbizarre at Friday, 2 March 2007 at 1:22am GMT
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