Comments: Saturday thoughts

Labels are harmful when they accompany tribes and add to boundaries. I particularly warm to Jonathan Sacks when he says that history tells us what happened and memory tells us who we are. It parallels (if not the same as) one of my points that we may need to demythologise faith for it to be meaningful in a different cultural setting, but it has to be remythologised to be faith.

In doing some research and artwork towards Holy Week I discovered the point that there is now a Jewish tradition that Good Friday is the most frightening day of the year. What does that say?

Posted by Pluralist at Saturday, 31 March 2007 at 5:38pm BST

Yes, it is so Pluralist,

and in the middle ages Good Friday was s day feared by Jews for sure.

What does it say ?

It must speak of a deep amibevalence or failure at the heart od Christianity, I suppose. Certainly perplexing.

Good luck with the art and study project ....

A good time for reading Riders in the Chariot - Patrick White (Penguin)

Posted by Laurence Roberts at Saturday, 31 March 2007 at 11:02pm BST

Sacks article brought tears of happiness to my eyes. This article parallels some of the lessons.

One thing that some souls might have forgotten in focusing on Jesus' entry to Jerusalem prior to his arrest, torture and crucifixion is what Passover meant to Jesus as a Jew.

Paul McPartlan's article captures and reaffirms the passages that have historical symobilism for Christians. These are some of the passages that would have had meaning to Jesus: Isaiah 55, 56 & 61; Zephaniah 3:8-20, Zechariah 2:3-13.

There is no way that Jesus did not want to see these biblical passages fulfilled. He would have wanted these covenants fulfilled and honored as much as the covenants to Noah and to the Jews at Mt Sinai. Because Jesus would have wanted these covenants fulfilled for the Jewish people, he would have acknowledged God's authority to enter into other covenants and would have honored those as well.

For example, Jesus would not have denied the covenant made to Haggar and Ishmael and, like Sarah, would have taken responsbility for helping their descendants mature into a wise and gentle nations. Jesus would have known that to deny them access to grace would have risked God's wrath being turned against his own peoples for behaving in an Edomite like fashion.

Jesus also understood that God's covenants covered not just the Jews, but also the gentiles, through the covenant made with the Daughter of Zion (Isaiah 49:6). Which is why he made overtures of peace to here as he entered into Zion (Matthew 21:5).

Posted by Cheryl Clough at Saturday, 31 March 2007 at 11:21pm BST

Souls talk of wanting the great healing for this planet. That healing will not occur whilst souls continue to behave like Edomites and deny sanctuary and dignity to other souls. The Daughter of Zion will not annoint any soul who would repudiate God's covenants with her or any other decent covenant. She will participate in the healing and redemption of all peoples who acknowledge God and work towards true justice of compassion and mercy: for both their friends and their enemies, the pure and the afflicted, male and femaled, young and old, populous or scarce. That must be underpinned by a fear of God and a reverence for all Creation. Any soul at any level that seeks the extermination of any other grouping (this covers higher realms that would like to obliterate humanity) have her as their enemy, with God's full endorsement to do as she sees fit with them.

Before they all squeal at being embarrassed, remember this, they have no right to complain about being embarrassed as they took no care of Eve's feelings. The other thing to remember is that the Shekinah did not fight for Moses, she fought for Aaron. Aaron was prepared to put his reputation on the line for her (as was Jesus). But Moses refused to speak lest he embarass himself. Since Moses was too timid to stand up for the Shekinah, he had no right to demand that the Shekinah stood up for him. Aaron and Jesus both spoke on her behalf, so she in kind speaks on their behalf too. If you are not prepared to risk your reputation for hers, then do not expect her to risk hers for yours. If you are not prepared to talk civilly to or about her, do not expect her to do the same in kind to you.

She will not allow the extinction of either humanity nor the Jews. Any group that attempts genocide (cultural or physical) has her as their enemy. This is a core principle of the Torah that was taught to the Jews but never confined to just the Jews, just as her covenant was never confined to just the Jews.

Posted by Cheryl Clough at Saturday, 31 March 2007 at 11:24pm BST

_She will not allow the extinction of either humanity nor the Jews._

That's reassuring; I don't believe it for a minute.

I correspond with a Kanai individual whose group is Jewish and regards Jshua (Jesus) as fulfilling the Law in advance, who reject Paul and Peter, and have communal memories in Poland, before this is southern Spain before and when the Muslims arrived, and well before of switching to Jshua after their violent methods and following of Eliezer failed at the Jewish War, and see a connection with their views and Ebionites. They have around 200 individuals left who are aware of their religious heritage. So now they are recording and describing their beliefs for posterity, aware that this sect in between Christianity and Judaism is likely to be lost.

Posted by Pluralist at Monday, 2 April 2007 at 2:05pm BST
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