Comments: women bishops: Affirming Catholicism proposals

"pastoral arrangements can be put in place"

Thinks: map to the nearest Specsavers?


"right balance between clarity and charity"

Oh goodness, the sort of cliche to make an admin/secretary laugh in the bath ;)

Posted by Tim at Saturday, 31 March 2007 at 1:23pm BST

Prayers that the CoE will work this through.

Posted by Weiwen at Sunday, 1 April 2007 at 12:24am BST

Surely the point must be that the question of the ordination of women (to whatever order of ministry) remains an open and disputed issue - as does the ordination of practising homosexuals. The aim should be to remain within the same church in as great a degree of communion as possible...whatever one's view on these disputed and yet to be resolved matters.

Posted by Neil at Sunday, 1 April 2007 at 4:50pm BST

after all of these years of women having their ministry recognized by the church, after having a Presiding Bishop who is a woman, I simply cannot believe that this conversation is still going on. This is incredible!

It is very simple. Women are fully capable of serving in the church, in every order. Those who don't agree don't belong. We have tried to give them a special place to keep their bigotry up for too long. All we get in return is more arguments and more fights. Enough. It is amazing that there are Christians somewhere still fighting over this.

Message to the opposition: Not only are women fully capable of serving as bishops, but you should also know that the world is round and the earth rotates around the sun, disease is caused by single cell organisms and not demon possession, all forms of life have evolved from simpler organisms, lightning is caused by electricity and not the anger of the gods, and the universe is MUCH more than 6000 years old. Sorry to break all of this news to you so fast.

I can't even begin to believe that this fight is still going on, and that the CofE hasn't solved this a long, long time ago. Incredible. Just incredible.

And the saddest part of this is the fact that these people believe that they are somehow taking God's side by supporting bigotry and closed doors. I can't even begin to understand how this is still going on.

Posted by Dennis at Monday, 2 April 2007 at 3:02am BST

If you think things are sad, check this out http://www.virtueonline.org/portal/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5788

Stumbled across today whilst checking out the progress of the tsunami today that caused damage in the Solomon Islands and rippled down the east coast of Australia.

Posted by Cheryl Clough at Monday, 2 April 2007 at 12:13pm BST

The biggest problem with these proposals is that they simply will not work. The provision offered to opponents insists they accept the orders of female bishops and that is exactly what they cannot do. Provision offered on that basis is not provision at all. The results are terrifying - many will feel unchurched and leave the anglican communion - BUT others will almost certainly stay and take such actions as they believe necessary. There is real danger that the flying bishops and many who look to them will refuse to work this system and leave - but that may well simply prompt those who stay to seek overseas jurisdiction, unlawful consercrations etc. I really don't see how the structures of the CofE will be able to hold. The only way forward is to create an additional province - everything AffCath argues for could then be delivered in Cant & York, opponents would have the provision they need and we can get on with evangelising England rather than spend the next 50yrs in the law courts!

Posted by Fr David at Wednesday, 4 April 2007 at 10:40am BST
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