Comments: Northern Ireland: judicial review of SoRs

Ok so that's 'christ-like harassment' then is it, EA ?

Glad most of the anti-gay demands were thrown out.
Oh how we need the secular Law and institutions to save us from the Churches and self-appointed god-botherers / human botherers.

It may be beginning to dawn on Ian Paisley what civil protections are for...

Posted by L Roberts at Tuesday, 11 September 2007 at 7:22pm BST

So what is the proper civil response to constantly being told at work - in small and medium and occasionally rather large ways - by a gung-ho and fully committed-conforming religious member of your work or supervisory team - bordering at times on tones of the sorts the Global South and USA Network leaders often like to use in their public pronouncements? - that you just need to repent properly of being an Out/Partnered/and/or Parenting queer person, give your heart submissively to Jesus as construed in a vigorous penal framework, and get God to/let God change you fortwith into either a completely straight or a completely celibate/non-sexual person?

What is the better response to being told these sorts of standardized traditionalistic religious things, upon such a religiously-committed co-worker or supervisor learning that your child has just been diagnosed with a chronic medical condition - all the subtle and not at all subtle hints about the diagnosis being God's wrath and judgment upon your evil life?

What sorts of guidance, I wonder, can the EA offer?

Posted by drdanfee at Wednesday, 12 September 2007 at 12:15am BST

Another defeat, good - it's the same story having to be repeated over and again, and the secular space being the ethical space.

Posted by Pluralist at Wednesday, 12 September 2007 at 12:33am BST

This is far more serious a defeat than the spinmeisters of the Right realise.

The harassment part of the NI regulations doesn't exist in the rest of the UK for a good reason - because it was recognised that a cross-group approach was needed, hence inclusive harassment protection is part of the current review of discrimination law.

This approach was supported by the major gay rights groups such as Stonewall, which is why they agreed that it should not be implemented within the SOR's in the rest of the UK. Indeed, the legislation as it stands can actually deal with most of the relevant matters (and no-one wants to stop the fundigelicals espousing their abhorrent views - just like the BNP, we simply hope they will come to see the error of their ways!)

The harassment clause was also not removed in NI for any reason other than lack of consultation. The same cannot be said about the cross-UK legislation which will emerge from the law review

The right wing Christians have lost yet another one of their battles, no matter how they try and spin it as a 'partial victory' - because its no more a victory than the shaming of the Bishop of Hereford in the recent industrial tribunal. Remember conservatives tried to spin that one as their victory too!

Posted by Merseymike at Wednesday, 12 September 2007 at 9:24am BST

"fundigelicals espousing their abhorrent views"

What a charming turn of phrase you have! Is that called inclusive too??

Posted by MG at Thursday, 13 September 2007 at 6:28am BST

"fundigelicals espousing their abhorrent views"

What a charming turn of phrase you have! Is that called inclusive too??

Posted by: MG on Thursday, 13 September 2007 at 6:28am BST

Inclusiveness, as I understand it, does not mean 'anything goes'.

Posted by L Roberts at Thursday, 13 September 2007 at 1:43pm BST

I think its absolutely essential to oppose those who oppress.
You cannot have an inclusive organisation which is non-discriminatory and welcoming if those who wish to discriminate and do not welcome are allowed free reign.

Inclusivity does not mean the right to discriminate. And liberalism does not mean wishy-washy sitting on the fence - but opposing the forces of reaction and prejudice. Fundamentalists and conservative evangelicals.

Posted by Merseymike at Thursday, 13 September 2007 at 3:01pm BST
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