Comments: Wycliffe Hall: former staff write to church press


This doesn't sound good, does it? Not a healthy situation at all.

Someone once described the difference between "secrecy" and "confidentiality" as being that the latter is important to protect vulnerable people from being damaged and the former is a ploy to protect the powerful from embarrassment. I thought it rather glib, but useful -- sounds like there has been too much "secrecy" for too long to protect an institution & that people have suffered (IMHO).

Posted by Prior Aelred at Friday, 28 September 2007 at 7:56pm BST

First, thanks are due to Eeva, Geoff, and David for their courage in speaking out, which will no doubt come at some personal cost. For a theological college to lose 13 teaching staff in a single academic year is little short of a revolution.

These are people who ought to be close to the conservative evangelical perspective, so for them to acknowledge that 'a more narrowly conservative emphasis' is taking place is worrying. Obviously they are upset at the insinuation that they are not true evangelicals. But while the theological differences between these people ought not perhaps to be exaggerated, Turnbull's heavy handed approach and attempt to 'eliminate' dissent is entirely characteristic of the military approach taken by the (entirely male) leadership of Reform and similar schismatic groups.

Posted by Matthew B at Friday, 28 September 2007 at 8:01pm BST

I await a further exposition of Corporate Business Practice for Jesus (aka "can't make an omelette without breaking eggs") from NP.

Posted by Lapinbizarre at Friday, 28 September 2007 at 8:33pm BST

These three brave souls state that "...the serious and distressing injustice of the forcible removal of three fellow staff members compels us to set the record straight... The events we have described have caused intense pain and perplexity to many people. Although we readily acknowledge that the failures of judgment and charity have not all been on one side, we believe it is important for the wider Church, to which Wycliffe Hall is ultimately accountable, to be exposed to the voices that heretofore have been silent...."

God praise victims who speak out.

In Sydney the press has been running hot about a woman who recently miscarried a live baby in the casualty toilet as they did not admit her for over two hours. The authorities tried to hush down and dismiss the significance of the trauma to the woman and her husband. That led to an outpouring of grief as many other women came forward to the press and recounted their similar experiences. The NSW government has now announced a better strategy to expedite women who admit to casualties with possible miscarriage symptoms.

Silence enables the indifferent or cruel to ignore or dismiss the suffering others experience, they are poor role models. Well done to these brave souls for their comment that while abrasive rough and tumble of heavy-handed management may be the harsh reality in many sectors, it is unacceptable and damaging in an institution that is first and foremost a Christian community which is meant to inculcate the counter-cultural values of servant and team leadership.

May 2 Corinthians 2:13-23 nourish them: “… God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the written code… having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross. Therefore do not let anyone judge … Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: “Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”? These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.”

Posted by Cheryl Va. Clough at Friday, 28 September 2007 at 10:18pm BST

Sorry, I realised just after submitting the previous posting that in meeting the word count, the link between 2 Corinthians 2:13-23 and Wycliffe got lost.

It was the idea of interdependency and that the whole body of Christ is interdependent.

2 Corinthians 2:19 was edited out “… the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.”; which links to Ephesians 4:16 “From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.”

Since this is a second posting ;-) other useful passages:

Hebrews 8:11 “No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest.”

2 Corinthians 11:5-15 “But I do not think I am in the least inferior to those “super-apostles.” I may not be a trained speaker, but I do have knowledge... Was it a sin for me to lower myself in order to elevate you by preaching the gospel of God to you free of charge?... I have kept myself from being a burden to you in any way, and will continue to do so. As surely as the truth of Christ is in me, nobody… will stop this boasting of mine… And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about...”

Luke 4:8-14 ““…do not take the place of honor… take the lowest place… everyone who exalts himself will be humbled … when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed. Although they cannot repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.”

Jonah 3:5-6 “The Ninevites believed God. They declared a fast, and all of them, from the greatest to the least, put on sackcloth. When the news reached the king of Nineveh, he rose from his throne, took off his royal robes, covered himself with sackcloth and sat down in the dust.”

Would that the cruel priests emulate the masses and dismount from their thrones, remove their finery and sit in the dust. Then God can heal them.

Posted by Cheryl Va. Clough at Friday, 28 September 2007 at 10:43pm BST

The Sydney hospital fiasco continues

The title of Sydney Morning Herald article "Soviet-style hospital ruled by budgets and bullies".

Apparently souls don't like being bullied in large organisations either.

Posted by Cheryl Va. Clough at Saturday, 29 September 2007 at 8:27am BST

This doesn't read well for Richard Turnbull does it?

Posted by dodgyvicar at Saturday, 29 September 2007 at 10:46am BST

A summary: the key issue is that heavy-handed unilateral management has reached unacceptable levels. Placing theological issues central may have titillated some, but was a red herring.

I always valued the extremely short opening speech of one of my housemasters: 'I am well aware that this place has strong traditions and I intend to respect them.' - or words to that effect. Leaders who can effectively combine visionary innovation with building on what has already been achieved may be rare. But it is logically indefensible and also (at an emotional level) heartbreaking and to a degree selfish when the gains of the past are simply not taken into account at all and the clock is held to start from the moment the new principal enters. He had hard acts to follow - but all the more reason why he should respect them to a somewhat greater extent.

Posted by Christopher Shell at Saturday, 29 September 2007 at 1:05pm BST

A further point: The mere elimination of dissent, rather than the endeavour to address it rationally, is a manifestation of the Might is Right (apology-for-a)-philosophy - which we are currently seeing at work in Burma. You may have the power to eliminate it, but that doesn't make it right to do so - and the questions raised will remain unanswered. If it is a display of macho - big deal. I am not sure to what degree this point applies to Wycliffe, but it seems to apply to at least a small degree.

Posted by Christopher Shell at Saturday, 29 September 2007 at 1:10pm BST

"The mere elimination of dissent, rather than the endeavour to address it rationally, is a manifestation of the Might is Right (apology-for-a)-philosophy - which we are currently seeing at work in Burma."

Is 'Burma' the new name for the Anglican Church?

Posted by Ford Elms at Saturday, 29 September 2007 at 2:03pm BST

Could someone with knowledge of UK employment law give a little background on the legal implications of the dismissal of Elaine Storkey and the Goddards? In the US, action of this sort would be pretty-well impossible at any remotely "respectable" academic institution, which would have regulations preventing dismissal without procedures at advancing levels establishing objective cause, and would lay the perpetrator open to both internal and civil sanctions should they be breached - and even, in many cases, where they have not. I had assumed that UK employment law would be much stronger on this point - witness the recent Hereford business, where the complainant had not even been offered the post. And incredibly a formal grievance had been filed by Dr. Storkey some time before her dismissal.

Surely Turnbull has to have cooked his goose this time around?

Posted by Lapinbizarre at Saturday, 29 September 2007 at 2:12pm BST

UK Employment Law

The problem with UK law can be the prohibitive cost of accessing it unless you can get it free - under legal aid. But the concept of constructive dismissal may be relevant here, but who can say without knowing the facts?

In the end it is the insurers who end up paying, rather than the institution itself, and unless the admin is dreadfully mismanaged the policy will be up-to-date.

Loss of earnings is a reasonable claim, plus a small amount for emotional distress perhaps, (5 grand perhaps?. The tricky thing about claiming for loss of earnings is timing when to make the claim...

Posted by dodgyvicar at Saturday, 29 September 2007 at 6:05pm BST

UK employment law again

Anyone can bring a case at a tribunal without it costing tham any fees - but if they get a solicitor to represent them, then you pay for them, obviously.

Trades Unions will pay for a solicitor for their members if they feel the case is justified (i.e. not just an employee having a poke at the boss) and clearly winnable - and if the payout is likely to be worth the effort.

To make someone redundant or to dismiss them for a disciplinary offence there is a set procedure to follow. Failure to do so will always incur the wrath of the tribunal.

Insurance will not often cover an employer if they have been found to be in breach of the law and / or have ignored legal and HR advice received. Tribunals will not accept the defence that the employer was not aware of their legal obligations or had acted on HR advice which was wrong, even if the employer believed it to be true.

Posted by Frozenchristian at Saturday, 29 September 2007 at 9:13pm BST

There may be a legitimate claim for unfair dismissal. The ethos of the employment tribunal system here is that it is free, accessible and relatively informal. As far as I'm aware, employers are prohibited from insuring themselves against any financial remedy awarded.

Posted by Hugh of Lincoln at Saturday, 29 September 2007 at 10:34pm BST


It is heartening to see your concerns. Thank you for that.

Last week Australia's Anglican High Court declared there was no legal impediment to a woman becoming a bishop in Australia. (See more recent TA thread).

Some of the recent comments by conservatives include issues of not recognising women priests/bishops, nor those who are ordained by same... This is part of their strategy that they intend to see going on for decades.

A "Yes Minister" cynic might forsee that they would also be seeking to assess which theological colleges are "suitable" and which are not. There might already exist a paradigm that someone trained by a female lecturer on a certain subject already has their qualification not acknowledged within their diocese. There would also be the need to ensure that the content itself is robust according to their solo scriptural interpretations.

So, no acknowledgement of the feminine traits of God or the Daughter of Zion, no hermeunetic explorations to examine the consistency in character and evolution of humanity's understanding of God and God's plans for reconciliation between say, the Old or New Testaments. No explorations to recognise how God has been intervening in other religions - even the Abrahamic cousins of Judaism and Islam...

The Muslims complained after the World Trade Centre that one of their problems is that an aggressive forms of Islam had taken control of their teaching centres and had strict control of what were "legitimate" interpretations. We have seen where that can go left unchecked.

Those who do not learn from history (even if it their cousins) are destined to repeat history...

Posted by Cheryl Va. Clough at Sunday, 30 September 2007 at 11:31am BST

Hi Cheryl-

Thanks. I think my position is very distant from yours however. You would presumably abhor most of what went on at Wycliffe, whereas I am simply having to somewhat prefer one side over the other in an internal dispute.

Posted by Christopher Shell at Monday, 1 October 2007 at 1:16pm BST


You are right. Our positions are distant.

Your previous statement infers prefer one side over the other, and are indifferent to the methods used or their consequences.

Thus your theology is to mine as chalk is to cheese.

Posted by Cheryl Va. Clough at Tuesday, 2 October 2007 at 10:13am BST

Hi Cheryl-

Not so. I would never prefer anything over anything else unless as the [provisional/hitherto] end-point of discussion/debate/deliberation.

When you said 'infers' I think you meant 'implies'.

I am puzzled about where I said I was indifferent to methods and consequences. Where did I say that?

The only alternative to preferring one thing to another is to prefer nothing to anything else. Death is as good as life. Closedness is as good as transparency. Etc.. Unless I have misunderstood you here.

Posted by Christopher Shell at Tuesday, 2 October 2007 at 1:10pm BST

Christopher asked of myself "You would presumably abhor most of what went on at Wycliffe, whereas I am simply having to somewhat prefer one side over the other in an internal dispute."

He was right, I abhor bullying whether it is done by conservatives or liberals. Whereas he simply prefer one side over another. His statement does not denounce bullying per se, which infers that bullying is okay, as long as your faction wins... My statements make clear that bullying is not okay, irregardless of which faction wins.

P.S. I like the chalk and cheese imagery. Chalk is merely compressed dust. Cheese is a combination of mothers milk and salt.

The bible despises those who are destined to be merely dust e.g. Isaiah 26:5, Jeremiah 17:13, or Jeremiah 24:34-36 "Weep and wail, you shepherds; roll in the dust, you leaders of the flock. For your time to be slaughtered has come... Hear the cry of the shepherds, the wailing of the leaders of the flock, for the LORD is destroying their pasture."

Or Micah 7:15-18 “As in the days when you came out of Egypt, I will show them my wonders.” Nations will see and be ashamed... They will lick dust like a snake... They will come trembling out of their dens; they will turn in fear to the LORD our God... Who is a God like you, who pardons sin and forgives the transgression of the remnant of his inheritance? You do not stay angry forever but delight to show mercy. You will again have compassion on us; you will tread our sins underfoot and hurl all our iniquities into the depths of the sea."

Conversely the bible refers to being fed by royal breasts and exhorts us to be full of divine salt. e.g. Isaiah 60:16, 1 Corinthians3:2 & 9:7, 1 Peter 2:2-3, Matthew 5:13, Mark 9:50, Luke 14:34, Colossians 4:6, Ezekiel 16:4 & 47:9-13. See also Isaiah 49:23 "Kings… and their queens your nursing mothers. They will bow down before you with their faces to the ground; they will lick the dust at your feet. Then you will know that I am the LORD; those who hope in me will not be disappointed.”

Isaiah 65:25 "The wolf and the lamb will feed together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox, but dust will be the serpent’s food."

I'll take cheese over chalk any day.

Posted by Cheryl Va. Clough at Wednesday, 3 October 2007 at 10:43am BST

Hi Cheryl-

What you said would have relevance if I had ever said that bullying is ok.

This is what mystifies me: where did I say that?

All I said was that in any given dispute one side will sometimes have more right on theikr side than the other.

You must surely have read my denouncing of the Might Is Right 'philosophy'. Does that sound like the words of someone who supports bullying?

Any so-called victory is is won by force of logic, internal consistency of arguments, failure to contradict oneself, and so on. Not a punch thrown in anger. The principle being: play the ball and not the man.

And that is precisely what troubles me: the idea that every dispute *has* to be personal. Who says?
In the real world, some disputes are about matters of fact, about issues, and only some are to do with personalities. To deny this is to deny something which is obviosuly true.

Posted by Christopher Shell at Wednesday, 3 October 2007 at 1:12pm BST

Christopher wrote “Any so-called victory is is won by force of logic, internal consistency of arguments, failure to contradict oneself, and so on. Not a punch thrown in anger. The principle being: play the ball and not the man.

And that is precisely what troubles me: the idea that every dispute *has* to be personal. Who says? In the real world, some disputes are about matters of fact, about issues, and only some are to do with personalities. To deny this is to deny something which is obviosuly true."

Gee, and I thought victories came from God. I love that with God sometimes the matters of the real world, facts, issues and personalities are actually irrelevant. God makes the wisdom of this world foolishness. 1 Corinthians 1:25 "For the foolishness of God is wiser than man’s wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man’s strength." or 1 Corinthians 2:14 "The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned."

Can't you see what I am saying Christopher? Does 1 Corinthians 3:19-20 help? God catches the wise in their craftiness. Or Isaiah 29:11-16 or 41:8-12

Sometimes humanity can be so blind that they don't even know that they are blind. The books of Isaiah, Ezekiel, Zechariah, Micah and Revelation are all about seeing beyond the things of this world.

At times of great need God bestows upon us such leaders e.g. Jesus. This is as promised in Isaiah 11 "A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse... The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him... and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears; but with righteousness he will judge the needy, with justice he will give decisions for the poor of the earth. He will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth; with the breath of his lips he will slay the wicked. Righteousness will be his belt and faithfulness the sash around his waist... They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain, for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the LORD as the waters cover the sea..."

Posted by Cheryl Va. Clough at Wednesday, 3 October 2007 at 10:05pm BST

Amen! But if you are saying that there is no such thing as logical/factual truth, or no such thing as logical/factual error, that is obviously not the case.

Posted by Christopher Shell at Saturday, 6 October 2007 at 6:30pm BST

As a former student at Wycliffe I have much to thank the Goddards, Elaine Storkey, David Wenham and Geoff Maughan, for. It saddens me that they have gone, any place will be the poorer for their absence. Though it doesn't make things right I am convinced that their ministries will continue to bless others wherever they are called to.

Posted by andy at Wednesday, 24 October 2007 at 6:58pm BST
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