Comments: NPR on foreign archbishops

What, he's got a third initial now?

Posted by Lapinbizarre at Sunday, 7 October 2007 at 11:30pm BST

I've listened to this three times now and Archbishop Orombi really does say that the American church has to die. What a strange thing to say...no coexistence is possible?? Goodness knows, there's plenty of sinners for everybody.

Posted by Pamela Grenfell Smith at Monday, 8 October 2007 at 1:23am BST

Pamela - have you read how St Paul spoke of theretics?
He did not say, "Keep on talking with them and let them stay in leadership." ++Orombi's clear words are very close in tone to what St Paul said about the heretics of his time - it is quite right to want the work of false teachers to perish.....

(for example, see Galatians 5:12 for the harsh words Paul had for false teachers.....because the truth matters and justifying any sin is never acceptable to God)


Posted by NP at Monday, 8 October 2007 at 9:15am BST

I think he's off to join his mate at Sydney. They are all starting to make trumpet-like noises.

Posted by Pluralist at Monday, 8 October 2007 at 12:03pm BST

Did he have that big old smile on his face every time he said our church had to die?

I much prefer the loving and joyful smiles of Desmund Tutu, whom I was recently blessed to see and hear in person for the first time. His is a message of joyful inclusion and affirmation of all of God's children.

Posted by Cynthia at Monday, 8 October 2007 at 5:54pm BST

I believe he was speaking to those in the room, as in those who loose their life will save it those who hold on tight will loose it.

It's kind of frightening the Biblical ignorance shown here, the concept that we must die to self, die to worldly desires is throughout the New Testament, Jesus spoke of it, Paul and John continue the theme, James is pretty "in your face" about selfish ambition. Having come through the fire of Idi Amin, they had it brought to them, those of us who live in comfort must make a choice. Remember the Rich Young Ruler, who Jesus loved but told he had to make a choice and went away sad for he had many riches he was not willing to let go. However, it's not peaching that tickles the ear.

Posted by Kevin at Tuesday, 9 October 2007 at 12:56pm BST

"it is quite right to want the work of false teachers to perish....."

So I needn't feel guilty about my feelings about Evangelicals? See, I don't agree.

Posted by Ford Elms at Tuesday, 9 October 2007 at 3:33pm BST

Not at all, Ford.
If you see false teaching, pls use the word of God to expose it and correct it. It matters that we speak the TRUTH in LOVE to each other.
N

Posted by NP at Wednesday, 10 October 2007 at 9:21am BST

NP,
"It matters that we speak the TRUTH in LOVE to each other."
When does your side plan to start?

Posted by Ford Elms at Wednesday, 10 October 2007 at 3:23pm BST

NP
Ford, in particular, has been trying to point out your errors in Truth and Love.

He has not lectured, but tried to persuade.
He has not bible mined stones to throw at you, but has tried, usually gently, to show you other ways of reading Scripture.

THAT is how we are to engage with each other. THAT is what truth, and especially love means.

Posted by Erika Baker at Thursday, 11 October 2007 at 9:55am BST

Thanks, Erika, but I fear today I have not lived up to your glowing assessment!

Posted by Ford Elms at Thursday, 11 October 2007 at 2:08pm BST

Nice sarcasm, Erika.... but you cannot say that I have tried to justify any sin which the bishops of the AC say is "incompatible with scripture"

Posted by NP at Friday, 12 October 2007 at 7:18am BST

"you cannot say that I have tried to justify any sin which the bishops of the AC say is "incompatible with scripture""

Perhaps not, NP, but whether or not something is a sin is not decided only by the bishops of the Anglican Church. You clearly accept things that are "incompatible with Scripture", you even justify them.

Posted by Ford Elms at Friday, 12 October 2007 at 4:12pm BST

No sarcasm, NP, I meant it.

Posted by Erika Baker at Friday, 12 October 2007 at 4:16pm BST
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