Comments: Rowan Williams on Christian unity

It is bizarre to see the Archbishop gently mocking the lukewarmness of ecumenical occasions. Lukewarmness seems to be his own preferred mode of operation in a situation of potential disagreement.

Posted by Fr Mark at Thursday, 20 December 2007 at 12:24pm GMT

I'm arguing here:

http://pluralistspeaks.blogspot.com/2007/12/pardon-archbishop-says-anglicans-are.html

That this passage...

Along with the rest of my Anglican ecclesial family, I don't agree with the official Roman Catholic (and Orthodox) teaching which sees eucharistic communion as depending entirely on the attainment of a comprehensive agreement on doctrine. But I must also grant that this discipline at least shows that what is understood by the Eucharist (and thus, by extension, the recognised ministry of the eucharistic president) is to do with very basic aspects of faith as an activity of the Body, not of the individual.

...is inconsistent with the narrowness of what he is trying to do with the Anglican Communion, if indeed this is what is really intended.

Posted by Pluralist at Thursday, 20 December 2007 at 10:03pm GMT

"in danger of slipping towards . . . some universal institution with clear central control - at worst, a Pullmanesque Magisterium, some people’s nightmare of Roman Catholicism"

Ironically, that's my nightmare of the "Anglican Church" [sic!], as is taking shape under Rowan Cantuar. :-(

Posted by JCF at Thursday, 20 December 2007 at 10:42pm GMT

I am right with RW in so many instances, until he then repeats some conservative drivel about how trustworthy received or traditional views are, compared with the fallibilities or limitations of any individual thinker. I read RW as wanting to believe what he is saying, but I cannot believe that a keen mind like his has failed to notice, failed to think things through.

I see no empirical-historical evidence that tradition - whether cultural or religious revelational - has had any free ticket exemptions from terrible error, any more than individual views and discernments might have demonstrated.

If individual discernment and understanding can be flawed, partial, and incomplete - horribly in love with itself and with power - communal discernments are often all of these, writ large in thousand foot letters, then add, usually violent and bloody to boot.

I trust Jesus to save me, not any individual or communal pledeges of allegiances. I would not be at the kingdom feast, were I to be constrained by the lack of invitations conservative believers would offer me, individually and/or communally.

Duh.

So far as I can tell from reading the OT (Prophets especially), and the NT as well - both individual and communal discernments pretty much equally stand under the judgment of God in Jesus, both held to those same high standards - love of God and love of neighbor at least equal to love of self.

I just completely lose Canterbury at points like this. Does he really believe that God is only revealed and trustworthy via communal vehicles?

Sure then, we should turn back all the clocks we reset, owing to exceptional and scorned new witness which only later was found true and loving in ways that the traditional and communal failed to be.

Posted by drdanfee at Friday, 21 December 2007 at 4:09am GMT

"Along with the rest of my Anglican ecclesial family, I don't agree with the official Roman Catholic (and Orthodox) teaching which sees eucharistic communion as depending entirely on the attainment of a comprehensive agreement on doctrine."


It seems Dr. Akinola, in fact, agrees with it. He has refused to attend at least two eucharists because the successive Presiding Bishops of the Episcopal Church were attending. Not presiding, mind. Just attending.

Posted by Malcolm+ at Friday, 21 December 2007 at 5:12am GMT
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