Comments: San Joaquin developments

Bishop Schofield: "“I don’t have any personal antagonism toward The Episcopal Church or its leaders, but day by day they seem to depart more and more from what is asked of us in scripture."

What Waring should have asked him as follow-up: "Other than your dispute with them over the role of gays and lesbians in the church, can you specify those other 'departures'?"

The conservatives keep making these claims that it's more than Gene Robinson, more than same-sex blessings, that is causing this rift--yet they never seem to be able to point to anything concrete beyond those things. Someone should force them to make the argument, if they have one.

And congratulations to Vicar Risard.

Posted by Pat O'Neill at Saturday, 22 December 2007 at 11:48am GMT

Other disputes against the Episcopal Church by conservatives include a misogynistic point of view concerning women in priesthood and other leadership roles (San Jaoquin is one of the remaining dioceses which will not ordain women as priests) and revisions of the Book of Common Prayer & Hymnal. A few conservative/traditional groups have broken away and succeeded. Others have not been so successful, many experiencing splintering within their own ranks. It will be interesting to see how long +John David's group does in the future.

Posted by Mark at Saturday, 22 December 2007 at 5:28pm GMT

Well, the most frequent additional charges laid against TEC are: (1) traditional Anglican leeway for variations in ethics or theology (based on open-ended inquiry, mind, and involving a range of empirical or scholarly best practices, fallible as they admittedly are) indicates that TEC is soft on Jesus, with buttressing evidence garnered from any TEC activity or occasion which dares to cross hard lines in the interfaith sands which con evo realignment campaigning says are NoNoNo's. Plus (2) an underlying simmer that is really all about women, so far as I can hear it. Having lost the TEC campaign against the brute sacramental unsuitability of people with female genitals - to embody Jesus our Mother (see Julian of Norwich, not a new idea) - that grudge has been long waiting for its day of retribution. Plus (3) the con evo realignment folks also lost the campaign against prayer book revision - the main deal here would seem to be a characteristic con evo commitment to penal ethics/theologies and nothing but. That, too, is a con evo TEC slow-burn complaint waiting for its day of retribution. The TEC Baptismal Covenant which talks about seeking and serving Christ in all people comes up for much jesting and continual scorn in most con evo realignment blog conversations, for example.

Plus (4) VGR still has to be the the point, really, along with these other points. Why VGR?

Well, you see, what makes it all so terribly oppressive and painful for con evo realignment believers is that VGR could be called by New Hampshire to be their bishop without any funny business. VGR was simply not in the historic Anglican closet which is the going deal in most other Anglican provinces. New Hampshire believers knew him, and probably, knew his remarried former wife and their daughters, and knew his life partner. What offense such open honesty gives, compared to the rigors of remaining closeted. Just contrast VGR and New Hampshire with the agonies Canterbury went through in England to hold a very private gathering of UK believers, more closeted than not.

Now, my best guess is that none of these separate factors would have been sufficient to kindle into realignment campaign flames, except for the generous fire accelerant added in by the split funders, Ahmanson, Scaife, and colleagues. If a church will not be reconstructed to the right, let it be destroyed. Listening, Rowan?

Posted by drdanfee at Saturday, 22 December 2007 at 6:39pm GMT

(Re xSchofield's reply)

Oh brother: and they accuse *liberals* of FUDGE?

Posted by JCF at Saturday, 22 December 2007 at 7:39pm GMT

The way they keep on saying and insisting the letter is pro-realignment, shows how they are trying to convince themselves of the rightness of their actions. Me thinks they protest too much.

Posted by Robert Ian Williams at Saturday, 22 December 2007 at 9:18pm GMT

Two observations:

1. The former Bishop of San Joaquin's whinge about how "those most affected" weren't involved in the discussion of alternate primatial oversight.

You hypocritical schismatics absented yourselves. Now you try to blame everyone else for your negligence in your duties. Bah.

2. From the letter of the mission parish to their former bishop: "Will you be coming as our Episcopal Bishop, having repented of your actions at Diocesan Convention, seeking forgiveness and reconciliation? Or will you be coming to worship as a visiting foreign Bishop seeking to reconcile with your former congregation and Vicar, and, following the Mass, to join us as we take groceries and coats to the poor?"

Wow.

Posted by Malcolm+ at Sunday, 23 December 2007 at 5:28am GMT

"visiting foreign Bishop seeking to reconcile with your former congregation and Vicar, and, following the Mass, to join us as we take groceries and coats to the poor?" Vicar Risard.

Well, no. +Schofield ran out the back door without saying goodbye after dominating the mass..he had, afterall, just "fired" the Vicar in front of the Congregation and threatened the "mission" with closing ("although it hadn't occured to him before coming").

Merry Christmas to the REAL Episcopalian SURVIVORS (they refuse to be victims) of emotional/spiritual "challenges" at the Church of St. Nicholas, Diocese of San Jaoquin, The Episcopal Church!

Inhibit NOW!

Posted by Leonardo Ricardo at Monday, 24 December 2007 at 12:19am GMT

According to eyewitness accounts at Fr. Jake's, Schofield shut down St. Nicholas today.

Posted by JPM at Monday, 24 December 2007 at 12:43am GMT

A couple of reports from St. Nicholas, Atwater CA (this morning, Advent4):

[The vicar's name is Fr. Fred *Risard*]

http://www.haloscan.com/comments/terry137/4336486022947099431/?a=22169#470014

http://www.haloscan.com/comments/terry137/4336486022947099431/?a=22169#470041

Lord have mercy! God bless the Episcopal Church!

Posted by JCF at Monday, 24 December 2007 at 1:48am GMT

And here's another report (St. Nicholas, Atwater):

http://www.haloscan.com/comments/terry137/4336486022947099431/#470081

Posted by JCF at Monday, 24 December 2007 at 3:20am GMT

Concerning Schofield and his antics - "I'm not firing you, I'm just not going to pay you" is a pretty good one - I wholeheartedly recommend ePisc0pal0oza's wonderful Christmas card to any who have not already seen it. It's currently at the head of the blog:

http://4mrwrdn.blogspot.com/

Posted by Lapinbizarre at Monday, 24 December 2007 at 1:15pm GMT

My deep admiration for Fr. Fred and the people of St. Nicholas leads me to ask if there is a way to send financial support that cannot be claimed by the former bishop or the folks he controls.
Columba Gilliss

Posted by Columba Gilliss at Monday, 24 December 2007 at 2:19pm GMT

Columba Gilliss,

Remain Episcopal in the Diocese of San Jaoquin is available here:

http://www.remainepiscopal.org/

I suggest you "earmark" your donation for Fr. Fred, St. Nicholas, Atwater although the entire group is remaining "Episcopal" and WELCOMING!BRAVO!

Merry Christmas from the Anglican Center

Posted by Leonardo Ricardo at Monday, 24 December 2007 at 3:44pm GMT

Pat O'Neill asked, "The conservatives keep making these claims that it's more than Gene Robinson, more than same-sex blessings, that is causing this rift--yet they never seem to be able to point to anything concrete beyond those things. Someone should force them to make the argument, if they have one."

Well, OK - I'm sure it'd go something like:

1. Gays are icky. If we're around them, we might get "the gay cooties."
2. We find uppity* women disturbing, and vaguely threatening.
3. Only political conservatives are truly Christian. Liberals make the Baby Jesus cry.

That sums it up, I should think :)

*"uppity" meaning women who think they're as good as men, and esp. women who think they are of the "proper matter" to be ordained.

Posted by David H. at Wednesday, 26 December 2007 at 4:44pm GMT

Father Jake has now posted an even more detailed account here --
http://frjakestopstheworld.blogspot.com/2007/12/another-report-from-st-nicholas-atwater.html
of the visit by the former bishop of San Joaquin.

Posted by Lisa Fox at Wednesday, 26 December 2007 at 7:01pm GMT
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