Comments: American news roundup

Father Jake's piece is priceless. I note in the comments that others are also appreciating that a diocese and its bishop are not the same thing.

Mind you, I am again reminded of personal observations and that Church of Sweden write up a few months ago.

There are some bishops who do attempt to "run a tight ship" and are more vehement in ensuring doctrinal uniformity within their dioceses. They certainly don't condone "broad tent" Anglicanism, or a lot of other things that have traditionally attracted many to Anglicanism over the centuries.

One good thing about all these discussions is there is going to be more consideration about how to avoid tyranny and oppression in future. For example, it was pleasing to see Daniel Burke referring to Schori's insight that ignoring some of this bad behaviour is similar to how they ignored child abuse in the past.

Posted by Cheryl Va. Clough at Saturday, 19 January 2008 at 8:55pm GMT

Compare ++KJS's "cool" with +++RW's *detachment* (CofE'ers, ENVY on your part would be entirely forgiveable! ;-/)

Posted by JCF at Sunday, 20 January 2008 at 8:24pm GMT

Nice essay from Real Live Preacher

"But now, see, the ones who thought homosexuality was a really bad thing were getting tired of the changes. It seemed like you hardly heard a hymn in church anymore, and people were dressing sloppy on Sundays, and women were preaching, and you could hardly find a King James Bible anywhere. So I think they just decided to dig their heels in on this whole homosexuality thing. And it became like a religious war, and it’s gotten so bad that even the Episcopalians are fighting over it. And that’s scary because you expect the Baptists will make fools of themselves over stuff like this, but we’ve always counted on the Episcopalians to keep their wits about them and be careful and never ever allow themselves to get so divided over something that they might actually split their church in two.

I mean, the Episcopalians can be kind of stuffy and all, and who knows what the hell they’re doing with all the chants and walking up and down the aisles before church and what with the banners and all the different colors all the time. But my goodness, they’re the smartest ones of all of us, and if they can’t figure this homosexual thing out, what hope is there for the rest of us?"


Posted by Kennedy at Monday, 21 January 2008 at 6:54pm GMT


That's a great insight.

No "detachment" whilst the bishops beat up their dioceses, insult their societies and drive away their members for being "unrepentant sinners".

Gee, it sounds like the US TEC are taking responsibility for their actions and their existence (thus transcending Adam and Chevas' duck shoving and scapegoating strategies). Maybe that is why they picked up the Millenium Development Goals ahead of most of the rest of the Anglican Communion? (After all, we all know Africa is numerically bigger than the rest of us).

Hmm, I wonder who Rowan was referring to when he said some players had picked up the Millenium Development Goals to "buy votes"?

Posted by Cheryl Va. Clough at Monday, 21 January 2008 at 7:45pm GMT

A further development in the Diocese of Central Florida involves the formation of a new group called FaithReceived. Excerpts from the e-mail announcement are below:


How is FaithReceived related to CFLAAC (Central Florida American Anglican Council)?

Some of our members were part of CFLAAC; others who have recently joined FaithReceived were not. Whereas the CFLAAC leadership continues among those who are disaffiliating from The Episcopal Church, we are not disaffiliating.

Why do we need another “special interest group?”

We hope FaithReceived can help energize the clergy and laity in our diocese to support our Bishop, build our diocese, and differentiate us from innovations in The Episcopal Church. We’ll recommend clergy and laity for leadership in our diocese that resonate with these goals.

What’s the origin of the name FaithReceived?

Jude 3: “Contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints.” (NRSV)

What about realigning our diocese with another province in the Anglican Communion?

While some of our members might favor that course of action, others do not. Realignment is not the primary focus of FaithReceived.


The signers of this e-mail include most of the people who had in the past voted Central Florida into the Network, demanded APO, and in general pursued a schismatic policy. Well-known diocesan names are George Conger, John Liebler, Gary L'Hommedieu, Patty Tew, Tony Clark, and Anneke Bertsch.

If "realignment is not the primary focus of FaithReceived" I suppose they are leaving the door open just a crack, should it appear opportune, some time in the future, to foment another schism.

Meanwhile, I salute this decision as a welcome piece of pragmatism.

I see some benefits from it. We may be able to pray for our Presiding Bishop by name again. We may not be forced to withhold our contributions from the National church any more. We may not be forced to lend our support to schism and bigotry.

Yes, I'm glad, but ....

Posted by Charlotte at Monday, 21 January 2008 at 11:23pm GMT
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