Comments: Amici Curiae brief filed in Virginia

One wonders why the Roman Catholic Church hasn't joined in this effort.

Posted by Davis d'Ambly at Friday, 25 April 2008 at 8:34pm BST

"One wonders why the Roman Catholic Church hasn't joined in this effort."

Because in the RCC, and in the US at least, property is held by the bishop as a corporation sole or some other similar structure. There are never property cases like this one because the bishop never allows title to pass from him. He can close them on a whim.

There are disadvantages to this as well. When stuff like the sexual abuse scandal hits the courts, the parish property can be sold to pay judgments.

Posted by ruidh at Saturday, 26 April 2008 at 1:59am BST

You think the Roman catholic Church would chip in..or non of our property is safe either from the actions of some future maverick priest.

Posted by Robert Ian Williams at Saturday, 26 April 2008 at 7:31am BST

But, if the statute is constitutional, a parish by vote could claim the property. The legal form of ownership is beside the point. Under this Virginia statute, every denomination would be to a large extent congregationalist.

Posted by Paul Davison at Saturday, 26 April 2008 at 1:09pm BST

To echo Paul Davison's point a bit, the Virginia statute, as some are attempting to apply it, would effectively require all denominations to assume congregationalist polity in that one state/commonwealth. The state would thus be mandating - one might say "establishing" - one form of religious governance, perhaps a form most Virginians would even affirm, at least in principle. That, however, is precisely why it can't stand up to constitutional scrutiny.

Posted by christopher+ at Saturday, 26 April 2008 at 2:54pm BST

I loves me my Methodist brothers and sisters! I hope we Episcopalians can return the favor at some point as the IRD batters away at them

Posted by Mary Clara at Saturday, 26 April 2008 at 11:01pm BST

Ruidh..very interesting.

How does the Catholic Church prevent a Schofield type doing a San Joaquim. Are there safeguards?

Posted by Robert Ian Williams at Sunday, 27 April 2008 at 6:51am BST

"Because in the RCC, and in the US at least, property is held by the bishop as a corporation sole or some other similar structure." If this was invariably so, Ruidh, the case of St. Stanislaus Kostka, Saint Louis, which has been dragging on since the first half of the last century, ought to have been resolved by now:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Stanislaus_Kostka_Church_(Saint_Louis)

The Roman Church's position on this is of interest if only because sooner or later one or more of the TEC property disputes may well end up before the US Supreme Court and a majority of the Court's members (5 out of 9) are conservative RCs. There again, the Church's moral teachings on the death penalty carry little or no weight with these gentlemen, so why should its position concern them in this instance?

If the RC church is already pretty-well insulated against such suits, I imagine there's a very good chance that some, at least, of the "Supremes" will back the secessionists. They're good at standing by their own - look who's president of the US and who elected him. One of them, Clarence Thomas, formerly attended Truro Episcopal Church, now a Virginia CANA establishment. Would Thomas recuse himself? Wouldn't bet on it.

Posted by Lapinbizarre at Sunday, 27 April 2008 at 2:13pm BST

The Va. statute does not mandate congregational polity. Any hierarchical church can eliminate the possiblity of property disputes by simply titling the property in the hierarchy or in a trust in which the hierarchy is the or at least one of the beneficiaries.

Posted by Dan at Monday, 28 April 2008 at 10:11pm BST
Post a comment









Remember personal info?






Please note that comments are limited to 400 words. Comments that are longer than 400 words will not be approved.

Cookies are used to remember your personal information between visits to the site. This information is stored on your computer and used to refill the text boxes on your next visit. Any cookie is deleted if you select 'No'. By ticking 'Yes' you agree to this use of a cookie by this site. No third-party cookies are used, and cookies are not used for analytical, advertising, or other purposes.