Comments: reports after Putney

"The US church, which will dominate the conference with 125 bishops attending, is expected then to elect rapidly and consecrate a further five or six such bishops." (Ruth Gledhill, Gay American Bishop Gene Robinson accuses opponents of 'idolatry')

Oh, please. How is the national church going to get all those dioceses to elect bishops solely on the basis of their sexual preferences?

Posted by Lynn at Monday, 14 July 2008 at 8:06am BST

It was an amazing Service and Jim Naughton's article really sums it up well!
Giles Fraser asking the congregation to get up and sing a verse of Thine Be The Glory when that sad heckler tried to disrupt the Sermon was a truly GAFCONesque moment: if your enemy appears, sing a hymn. I hope those who had been on the GAFCON banned list appreciated the irony as much as I did.

Posted by Erika Baker at Monday, 14 July 2008 at 10:41am BST

I was interested in Ruth Gledhill’s claims:

1. Gene Robinson is to defy the Archbishop of Canterbury by turning up uninvited at Canterbury for the Lambeth conference.
Just what’s this about? Gene was invited to the Market Place by conference organisers – he only rejected their attempt to limit that presence - http://www.episcopalcafe.com/lead/bishops/episcopal_news_service_the_hou.html
Has The Times uncovered a plot to infiltrate an indaba?


2. The Times has learnt ..the Episcopal Church of the US plans to overturn its pledge not to consecrate any more openly gay or lesbian bishops.
Has the leadership of TEC a secret plan to overturn BO33 to which The Times is now privy? Or is this speculation based on a small number of dioceses whose Conventions have called on the 2009 General Convention to set BO33 aside?

3. is expected then to elect rapidly and consecrate a further five or six such bishops.
Anyone who watches the election of TEC bishops would know that this is fantasy. There are certainly five or six prime candidates for Episcopal office who are in same-sex relationships – but the chance of their being elected in close succession as part of some plot …….. or indeed all of them ever being elected as a bishop is a nonsense …….. In recent elections where there have been such candidates they have not been serious contenders.

4. Bishop Robinson ensured that the issue of gays and Anglicans remained top of the news agenda, where it is likely to stay for the next three weeks of the conference.
Now this made me smile ….. It’s all Gene’s fault. If Gene didn’t give interviews we journalists would not be talking about this. If Gene wasn’t here the news editors wouldn’t be interested in the stories – Ah a glimmer of truth there perhaps…..


5. Six US bishops, including the Right Rev John Chane of Washington, are backing a move to bring hundreds more gay and lesbian clergy and lay people uninvited to the conference.
We need to know a great deal more about this. “Hundreds of lgbt’s crashing the Conference, now that’s the first I have heard about this and I have been part of the lgbt planning process. Perhaps I missed something ….

Posted by Martin Reynolds at Monday, 14 July 2008 at 10:56am BST

Yes, it's not as if bishops retire or resign en masse or something. What nonsense.

Posted by Pat O'Neill at Monday, 14 July 2008 at 11:29am BST

This is the shameful way The Times (or what remains of it)sells its papers. But how clearly misinformed and risible !

Posted by Treebeard at Monday, 14 July 2008 at 1:42pm BST

Martin Reynolds wrote "I was interested in Ruth Gledhill’s claims:"


The more I read Ruth Gledhill the more I am reminded of Rita Skeeter, of Harry Potter fame.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympe_Maxime#Rita_Skeeter

There seems to be some physical resemblance too.

http://www.ivillage.co.uk/relationships/couple/gay/articles/0,,703411_703415,00.html

Simon

Posted by Simon Dawson at Monday, 14 July 2008 at 2:00pm BST

Wouldn't the irony have been to great had the congregation been asked to sing "All Hail the Power of Jesus' Name"?

Posted by K. Ryan at Monday, 14 July 2008 at 2:16pm BST

"Bishop Robinson ensured that the issue of gays and Anglicans remained top of the news agenda, where it is likely to stay for the next three weeks of the conference.
Now this made me smile ….. It’s all Gene’s fault. If Gene didn’t give interviews we journalists would not be talking about this. If Gene wasn’t here the news editors wouldn’t be interested in the stories – Ah a glimmer of truth there perhaps….."

He does provide a very articulate and effective focus for the media. I think he's doing an excellent job as poster boy. He is the kind of possitive concrete counterfoil that's needed for the typical attempts to demonize gays.

Posted by Richard Lyon at Monday, 14 July 2008 at 2:36pm BST

Jim Naughton mentioned that the ABC was going to generously put +Gene in touch with one news ageccy for an interview if he came to England. If true, I seriously doubt the ABC's connection to the real world. Does he live in a cave?

Posted by Cynthia Gilliatt at Monday, 14 July 2008 at 2:37pm BST

Robinson has stated his vision perfectly. Not it is up to the others to find something equally rooted and evangelical to say.

Is it true that Hans Kung criticizes Robinson as a church-divider? I recall how Kung himself was sneered at when he raised the issue of the RCC attitude to gays 30 years ago.

Posted by Spirit of Vatican II at Monday, 14 July 2008 at 3:09pm BST
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