Comments: CartoonChurch and the owner of the former SPCK bookshops

The behaviour of Christian bodies and organizations (and Churches) is more and more convicing me of the truth of Christianity -- Not.

Posted by Treebeard at Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 6:05pm BST

Well done Treebeard, another example of the heresy of the unpleasant bus driver.

As for Dave, I think it is another example of the high-handed and destructive behaviour of... well whom?

Is there a UK media lawyer in TA's readership who fancies some well-deserved pro bono work?

Posted by 3MinuteTheologian (Justin Lewis-Anthony) at Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 6:29pm BST

I've added my observations about this misuse of the libel laws.

Posted by Doug Chaplin at Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 8:09pm BST

Given that they are very likely to go belly-up before too long, I am sure that they will be able to return to pride of place before too long

Posted by Merseymike at Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 8:13pm BST

I've no idea what you're talking about. Do you ?The non-witness of all these corporate 'Christian bodies' is turning more and more of us away from your versions of Churchianity.

I wouldnt use a disreputable or unreliable or unsafe bus company or restaurant either.

'Well done Treebeard, another example of the heresy of the unpleasant bus driver.'

Posted by: 3MinuteTheologian (Justin Lewis-Anthony) on Tuesday, 22 July 2008

Posted by Treebeard at Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 8:46pm BST

I was standing this morning scanning the NT commentaries and other secondary works on the NT in the Durham SPCK (inside the Cathedral) when I fell into conversation with a fellow Irishman, who observed - knowing nothing of SPCK's recent travails - that it all seemed a bit 'thinner' than it used to. It does, and this is very serious. Less and less knowledge - more and more ignorance.

Posted by john at Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 9:32pm BST

What Mark Brewer/SSG have not bargained with is that all the "removed posts" are readily available on Google over which David Walker has no control - so people interested in free speech and the future of SPCK and Christian bookshops in the UK should make them widely known see this link for details: One presumes that the threat of legal action is not going to concern Google too much!

Posted by Tom Allen at Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 9:47pm BST

I think Dave Walker has done the Christian community a great service as this story has developed, and I am not going to stop saying so.

Posted by Mark Bennet at Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 10:10pm BST

Sued for telling the truth? SSG makes a fool of law by abusing it. The truth will out. Remembering how subversive the 'Fake Steve Jobs' blog was when cloaked with anonymity, it'll only be a matter of time before some holy geek pieces together saved pages containing the deleted posts into a hard-to-trace 'Not-Dave-Walker blog' - followed by several more 'fakes' distributed across cyber space. They can't sue the whole internet can they?

Posted by Keith Kimber at Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 10:30pm BST

Temporary hurrah for the Google cache:

Posted by Jonathan at Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 10:46pm BST

So the entry you linked to on Dave's Cartoon Blog has been removed and comments are closed to all entries.

This sucks!

Posted by susan hedges at Tuesday, 22 July 2008 at 10:46pm BST

[Expert Googlers: could you direct me to the cache for Dave's removed post on the subject?]

I know that your Vindicator liveth, Dave: hang in there!

Posted by JCF at Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 2:51am BST

What a mess!

I am told that, during the Raj, it was common for individuals in India to have printed on their cards "B.A. Oxford, failed" for it was better to have been admitted to Oxford and failed than not even to have tried. Personally, I would prefer such a line over the claim trumpted on Mark Brewer's website that he has a degree from Oral Roberts University. Yup, about as dodgy an academic claim as one can make.

Oh, yes, he also claims as one of his specialties employment law. I suppose, from the comments of ex-staffers, that this particular specialty never involved actually learning empathy for employees.

There is a story about a doctor, a cleric and a lawyer who are shipwrecked and clinging for dear life to a bit of flotsam. They notice that they are near a small island, but the waters are shark infested. What to do? Cling on until exhausted, or swim for it? The doctor starts out and is quickly devoured by the sharks. The cleric then prays for protection and starts swimming, and meets the same fate. The lawyer then swims straight for the island. Upon his arrival, the islanders ask why the sharks didn't eat him? "Professional courtesy" he replies.

I know a lot of lawyers who are very fine people, but there are, sadly, just enough of the other sort to make lawyer jokes as popular as they are. :-(

Posted by Nom de Plume at Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 3:02am BST

I'm very pleased they have gone I visited the former book store in Chester and it was full of "Orthodox "books condemning the Papal claims and the Catholic Church. One was written by an ex -Southern baptist convert to Orthodoxy!

The heads that should roll are those in SPCK who sold the shops.

Posted by Robert Ian Williams at Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 9:46am BST

SSG may not be going bankrupt as efforts are underway to get the case thrown out under US law. More details to follow.

Posted by spckwatch at Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 12:55pm BST

Mad Priest has the text on his blog

Posted by Erika Baker at Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 1:00pm BST

All Dave has done is report what the Brewers want to hide... their motives, their incompetence etc. etc. unfortunately their cowardly use of a "cease and desist" notice is using Dave's inability to fund a legal battle he would undoubtedly win to enable them to censor the truth. Disgraceful!

Posted by Mark at Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 1:44pm BST

This blog has a complete list of google cache links:

Note that google cache is not permenant. This information may be available for as little as 3 days, depending on a variety of factors which I chose not to elucidate. So if you want it to be preserved for posterity, download the pages and archive them.

Posted by KC at Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 1:52pm BST

When persuasion fails, there's always force.

More evidence that the "orthodox" are no friends to wage earners or to freedom of speech.

Posted by counterlight at Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 1:55pm BST

Christianity in action on the ground !

Posted by Treebeard at Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 4:22pm BST

Dreadful behaviour.

Posted by Göran Koch-Swahne at Wednesday, 23 July 2008 at 9:06pm BST

Note: I've just updated the Dave Walker post list - there are now 27 and some more to come later.

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Posted by Matt Wardman at Thursday, 24 July 2008 at 10:51am BST

A minor point in their attack on free speech rights that the SSG is attempting, but re

""Orthodox" books condemning the Papal claims"

And the problem with that would be? I could write similar condemnations, and be at least as *orthodox* as... well, as YOU are, RIW. ;-/

Posted by JCF at Thursday, 24 July 2008 at 8:40pm BST

All Dave's original posts have been reposted here:

Posted by Mouse at Wednesday, 13 August 2008 at 9:49pm BST
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