Comments: News from the Big Blue Tent (9)

Quote. What I’m increasingly feeling though is that much of what we do is an infantile form of ecumenism based on “what can we all do together?”, grown up ecumenism must lie in what we empower some to do on behalf of all. Unquote.

Bravo, bravo, bravo, bravo. Thanks...

Posted by drdanfee at Friday, 25 July 2008 at 8:43pm BST

David W,

Is there a real difference between, in your words, "infantile form of ecumenism based on “what can we all do together?”, grown up ecumenism must lie in what we empower some to do on behalf of all?"

I can understand if this means people being prepared to give real weight to the teaching of people like ++ Williams and other spiritual leaders. Just talking "issues" may only further polarise people and deepen division (people merely talking past each other or clashing in the night); finding the common point of reference and proceeding from that to understand together can be constructive in advancing unity.

Your view sounds in some ways like leaving it to the "elite" or the "clergy class?" Acts 15 is people hearing the different points of view and then in hearing one another coming to one mind and heart.

Ben W

Posted by Ben W at Friday, 25 July 2008 at 11:25pm BST

I agree! (A rare event!!) We are worth it!!!

Posted by Martin Reynolds at Friday, 25 July 2008 at 11:26pm BST

Speak for yourself Martin R ! ;-)

Posted by Treebeard at Saturday, 26 July 2008 at 1:12am BST

Thank you...Dear David...for taking the time to re-type your thoughts of the day vs a vs "Lowlight of the day"....
And also for being willing to expose yourself to
people and blogs that you might not normally agree with . It has always seemed to me that that frame of mind is the "genius" of Anglicanism. And indeed
the Body of Christ would seem a lackluster stopoff if we all thought , spoke , and preached in exactly the "same" manner...Pure Anglicanism..? Hmphhhhh !

Posted by David Lyon at Saturday, 26 July 2008 at 2:27am BST

I hear the bishops blog comments as asking us to grow up, enough to be able to let God serve a suffering planet and its many different peoples through our steady mutual Anglican recognitions across all our hot button differences. I dislike Akinola, say, for much that he preaches so uppity and self-satisfied in his own salvation ungenerous. But if Akinola so much as gives a cup of cold water to a little one beloved of God in Jesus of Nazareth, then God is at work in those hands - and I am involved in that generosity even if in the very next awful moment it is swamped by Akinola's fondness for meanness, policing, punishments.

The God who uses a talking ass and an angel to enlighten and teach the prophet for hire in Numbers, can surely give a cup of cold water to a little one, or disconfirming science data to the rest of us, no suprise.

Posted by drdanfee at Saturday, 26 July 2008 at 3:38pm BST

Gee thanks - its so nice to know we are 'worth it' and you care so much. Great!?
But are the bishops?
Have to say I agree with Bishop Chane who has spotted that bishops and bureaucrats are hardly the most 'in touch' and Simon Sarmiento in his piece has his pulse on what it all actually adds up to in the pews...zilch!
Any decisions will have to involve the clergy and laity. And the answer I feel pretty sure would be 'No' to the covenant and 'Are you serious?' (to quote a former tennis player from US) about a new Curia.
People would be happy with a loose association/fellowship for old times sake. I am shocked the bishops are so clubbable and malleable by a lovely/good/bright but failed and wrong ABC.

Posted by Neil at Sunday, 27 July 2008 at 12:00am BST
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