Comments: ecclesiology explained

"Right Wing danger:
Turning Christianity into a discarnate absolute ideology; refusing to engage, indulging if judgmentalism, Pelagianism and fantasy.
"Left Wing danger:
Becoming so laid back as to fall over backwards. salt that has lost its flavour, and capacity to be salt?" from 'What is Church - Bp Alan's Blog -

Bishop Alan Wilson, as usual, has something vitally important to say, here, to the whole Church. And this is where the ABC, Primus inter pares, has such a difficult path to forge - in the ongoing disputes in the Church about gender and sexuality.

Unlike his predecessor, Archbishop Rowan has tried to be 'all things to all people', as per Saint Paul, and in doing so has come up against the very same criticism that is sometimes levelled at the 13th Apostle. True justice requires that the needs of everyone in the Church have to be considered - not on the basis of "What is best for ME", but rather, "What is best for the Unity and mission of the Church." It is in these two areas that we all have sometimes to leaven the thrust of our own particular objective in order to bring balance to the objectives of others.

There are many other areas of social need which must be addressed, as well as those of sexuality and gender balance. This is not to say that these are not urgent - only that these are only part of the programme that needs to be addressed in our inequitably resourced world situation. Cultural attitudes do need to be re-examined, especially where they have become the basis of the exclusion of new insights from the modern world.

Issues of Women Bishops and Gay clergy are very important for the continuence of a viable living Church community - and must be addressed. But so also must the issues of congruence with the Gospel Commission to feed the poor, heal the sick and perform those ministries of loving service that have been the basis of Christian faith and witness through two millennia.

We are in an exciting period of renewal and change within our Church, requiring both traditional and prophetic ministry. This will require great faith and patience to see it through to the next stage of development.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Wednesday, 11 March 2009 at 10:25pm GMT

Good paper.

One contemplation is that God measures not only what we do, but also what we fail to do.

There is merit in reading the bible from a perspective of asking what is yet to be done, or what has not yet been fulfilled e.g. God's promises to eunuchs, females and gentiles. Yes, it is worth mentioning gentiles again, because many Christians have redefined themselves as the new Jews, placing both the old Jews and those that are still Gentile outside of their missives or God's grace. Such paradigms are an affront to the Daughter of Zion's missives to bring peace to all Creation.

Posted by Cheryl Va. at Thursday, 12 March 2009 at 6:08am GMT

An excerpt from the comments posted on Bishop As blog:

to make a parallel point about the churches vocation and who fulfils the vocation if the church fails to live up to its calling. Here are the 4 [typology from Roy McLoughry's book Living in the Presence] - and my candidates for who is taking the place the church should have.....

The voices of responsibility - the environmentalists and green movement

The voices of celebration - the gay community - outpunching their weight in the arts and entertainment - but being vulnerable too

The voices of prophecy - anti consumerism movement

The voices of suffering - the Third World poor

Posted by drdanfee at Thursday, 12 March 2009 at 7:14pm GMT
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