Comments: Salvation's goal


(especially since today's Rubric was about the aspect of Community called Freedom in Christ)

Posted by Göran Koch-Swahne at Sunday, 30 August 2009 at 2:58pm BST

One thing I admire about the Presiding Bishop of TEC, Katherine Jefferts-Schori, is her refusal to be cowed by the constant stream of vitriol poured over her by dissident groups of ex- Episcopalians in North America who seek to bring her down. One only has to tap into the oxymoronic 'Virtue-on-line' site to realise how desperate are her detractors.

Truth is; Bishop Katherine has become the prelate in the Anglican Communion world-wide whose prophetic voice is most powerfully heard in the present lock-down that has threatened to overcome our traditionally inclusive ethos within the Church. Her insistence on the Church as community (vide Saint Paul), rather than a group of hot-line-to-God-individualists, has angered those whose theology is exclusivist. Her Gospel message has an authentic ring for those of us who want to celebrate the Church as a hospital for penitent sinners, rather than a mausoleum for saints. Good on you Katherine!

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Monday, 31 August 2009 at 12:31am BST

I always get lots of positive clarifications, all food for thought and deeper reflection, when KJS speaks up. I wistfully wish, on passing occasions, that our beloved Big Anglican Brain in Canterbury would do a externship with her for a while. Proud to be Anglican, then, in that rough and ready Yankee TEC Mould. If this is what global second track means, oh well. Funny how Canterbury is so quiet when preachers like Akinola or Orombi or Nazir-Ali carry on spouting culture war and weaponized theologies; and so easily put off kilter when TEC or Canada shares what people are thinking.

Truth train is coming, with a Beatitudes caboose. Oh yeah.

Posted by drdanfee at Monday, 31 August 2009 at 4:47am BST

I still think the following quote of hers is clearer...
"The overarching connection in all of these crises has to do with the great Western heresy – that we can be saved as individuals, that any of us alone can be in right relationship with God. It’s caricatured in some quarters by insisting that salvation depends on reciting a specific verbal formula about Jesus. That individualist focus is a form of idolatry, for it puts me and my words in the place that only God can occupy, at the center of existence, as the ground of being. That heresy is one reason for the theme of this Convention."

Posted by Tunde at Wednesday, 2 September 2009 at 8:38pm BST

My only response to Tunde (above) is that Jesus himself seems to have taught salvation in the context of community; re Saint Paul's written understanding of the complementarity of the Body of Christ (not one part being independent of any other). Jesus also spoke of one's need to love God and one's neighbour - surely a community ethic if ever there was one. Individualism can be the enemy of the ethic of co-dependency in God's calling of all people in the Gospel. Bishop Katharine is right about that.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Thursday, 3 September 2009 at 12:43am BST

Individualism is unchristian, but being an individual as well as part of various collectives is a fact of life. Salvation must be individually appropriated/accepted - it's no good saying 'my gran (or my chief) is a Christian, so that makes me one' - just as forgiveness very often (not always) takes place between individuals rather than collectives.

Conclusion: KJS is confusing two separate issues.

Posted by Christopher Shell at Monday, 7 September 2009 at 11:15am BST

Off topic: Christopher, good to see you back! I may have missed a relevant post, but I hope the birth of your second child went without a problem and that you are all safely home getting used to life with a new member in the family!

Posted by Erika Baker at Monday, 7 September 2009 at 11:37am BST
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