Comments: opinion (not Rome)

Vicki Woods got it right. Benny's got a lot to answer for when he has his little talk with Liz.

Posted by choirboyfromhell at Saturday, 24 October 2009 at 12:53pm BST

I think with all of this Roman mish mash, we should all stop and enjoy a fine Episcopal hymn:

Posted by Josh L. at Saturday, 24 October 2009 at 3:39pm BST

re the article on Albania: one result of the marginalisation of religious leaders in Albanian society has been that the government is now able to put forward a non-discriminatory marriage law, and religious leaders have little hope of blocking it, much as they would like to be able to. Needless to say, that doesn't stop the Orthodox Church leadership venting its customary loathing of gay people

If religious leaders spoke more sense on such issues, perhaps one would feel able to grieve for their marginalisation. As it is, Albania's gay minority is clearly better off because the Orthodox Church there doesn't have much influence, unlike increasingly intolerant Russia, for example.

Posted by Fr Mark at Saturday, 24 October 2009 at 5:39pm BST

"God", Hoskyns said, "is not the God of the Jews only, but of the Gentiles also, of the anti-clericals and communists, of all the 'movements which tingle with resentment against the Church. Crucifixion-Resurrection is therefore the song that is sung, whether it is recognised or not, by the whole world of men and things in their tribulation and in their merriment."
- Bishop Geoffrey Rowell, Times 'Credo' article -

Buried in his srticle on How Albania was Surpised by Joy, appears this extract from Bishop Rowell's remembrance of Cambridge Preacher Edward Hoskins' sermon which could be up-dated to include the categories of women and gays - in the preacher's catalogue of those whom God includes within the inclusive family of the Church.

If only Bishop Rowell, and all of the Bishops of the Anglican Communion, could understand the truth of God's overarching love and respect for all God's children, then there would never have been a need for the Bishop of Rome to presume to offer his special protection to those disaffected by the ordination of women and gays.

As it is, I think that most Thinking Anglicans will not want to rush into an alliance with the leader of a Church which does not recognise women and gays as bearers of the Image and Likeness of God in the Church. Sadly, though, this present situation of stand-off will not be resolved until the Anglican Leaders around the world begin to respect the equality of all human beings as the Children of a Loving and Gracious God.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Saturday, 24 October 2009 at 10:05pm BST

It is not as bearers of the Image and Likeness of God in the Church that B16 does not recognize women and gays. What he contests, repeatedly and explicitly, is their capacity to function in persona Christi as ministers. The invidiousness of this is more subtle.

Posted by Spirit of Vatican II at Sunday, 25 October 2009 at 12:14am GMT

Would it be a correct assumption that the Telegraph does not think much of the office of the Pope, or at least the current incumbent? The photograph accompanying the Vicki Woods article comes eerily close to resembling a very-unfriendly figure from a 6-part modern fairy tale. ("Execute order 66")

Posted by peterpi at Sunday, 25 October 2009 at 2:48am GMT
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