Comments: opinions in mid-Advent

Someone treats Rowan Williams as an oddball? Someone

Hold the front page.

Er, on seconds thoughts, don't. It's hardly 'dog bites man' is it?

Posted by toby forward at Saturday, 12 December 2009 at 4:05pm GMT

“The effect is to de-normalise faith, to intensify the perception that faith is not part of our bloodstream. And, you know, in great swaths of the country that’s how it is.”

And how do you suppose that got to be? By marginalization of a group of people that society deems acceptable? To not change attitudes towards minorities that science has proven beyond a doubt is an inherent condition, then to whine about declining membership is as you all from the U.K. would say, beyond "cheek".

Posted by choirboyfromhell at Saturday, 12 December 2009 at 6:35pm GMT

I enjoyed Abp Rowan's comment on the latest rash of "second spring" thinking among triumphalist RCs in Britain -- emblematized for me in Eamon Duffy's scandalous book, Fires of Faith.

By the way, whatever happened to Anglicanorum Coetibus? Where are the swimmers crossing the Tiber? Why the silence? Perhaps Abp Rowan's Roman lecture and the launching of ARCIC III has taken the wind out of their sails? Even TAC don't seem to be responding all that enthusiastically to the Roman invitation they themselves asked for. Could it be that their purpose all along was just to spite the Anglican Communion?

Posted by Spirit of Vatican II at Saturday, 12 December 2009 at 11:41pm GMT

"I enjoyed Abp Rowan's comment on the latest rash of "second spring" thinking among triumphalist RCs in Britain." - Spirit of Vatican II -

It really is Spring here in New Zealand, but I suspect the Spirit of Christmas in the U.K. Church might be better characterised by that well-known Carol 'In the Bleak Mid-Winter'.

There are some advantages to be gainecd from living in a more civilsed part of the Southern Hemisphere at this time in the sad history of the Church - AC or RCC. We, in NZ, are not, however, part of that death-dealing Church sodality of the 'Global South'; whose very breath is nothing less than the 'Kiss of Death' - to Gays, Women and others in need of emancipation

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Monday, 14 December 2009 at 8:41pm GMT

"Wesley chose to include sentences such as: "This Sacrament, by our remembrance, becomes a kind of Sacrifice, whereby we present before God the Father that precious Oblation of His Son once offered." It is hard to think that Cranmer would have been happy with this statement."
- Christopher Howse -

In this article, Christopher Howse reminds us of our High Church Anglican sacramental affinity with Wesleyan Methodism - through the Eucharistic theology excpressed in the Communion Hymns of John and Charles Wesley.

Whatever we may think about the ecclesiology of the Wesley brothers, no Anglo-Catholic could ever fault their theology of the efficacy of the Eucharist. Their good, solid understanding of the 'Real Presence' Of Christ in Holy Communion is at the heart of catholic theology - a concept which perhaps is more important than our flawed ecclesiastical understanding - especially today, in the light of current divisions in the Church - of what is the Incarnational significance of Christ in the world.

If we could only get back to the basics of our Christian Faith - that God so loved the World, that he gave his Only-Begotten Son, so that all who believe in him would receive the gift of eternal LIFE, then perhaps the struggles we are going through - as intended purveyers of God's loving and generous salvation and redemption for ALL people - might be recognised and valued for the universal GIFT that God meant it to be.

The Wesleys at least were cognisant of this need to point to the incarnational presence of Christ in the Eucharist - a simple God-given reality that is freely available to all will accept it.

At least in the Eucharist, we can accept the full humanity of Christ's presence - not just his maleness as a human being, but his representative
humanity - which has availed for all humanity the redemptive, soterial reality of his Incarnation, Passion, Death and Resurrection. The Eucharist presents what is the 1662 Prayer Book's under-standing of the: "One, Perfect and Sufficent Sacrifice, Oblation and Satisfaction, Once-Offered, for the Sins of the Whole World".

The whole of the structure and panoply of the Church can be narrowed down to this simple and
yet profound reality of 'Christ amongst us' as the focus and empowerment of Chritian ministry. Despite all that has gone on in the life of the Church since Christ's first Advent, we need to constantly be reminded of our need to return to our foundation as Christ-Bearers in, and to, the
world for which Christ died.

Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us, therefore let us keep the Feast. Alleluia!

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Tuesday, 15 December 2009 at 12:10am GMT
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