Comments: O Sapientia

Rosemary,

Just to say thank you for your thoughts this morning. I read them just after praying Morning Prayer, and will read again before praying Evensong.

sincere good wishes,

Fr John Scotland

Posted by Fr John E. Harris-White at Thursday, 17 December 2009 at 2:18pm GMT

Thank you for this meditation. Healthgiving, beautifully written, it does much to point out to me my own spots of sin.

Posted by Charlotte at Thursday, 17 December 2009 at 6:30pm GMT

"He blamed for that which creates false barriers between people: the mix of closed minds, impossible purity standards and bumptious self satisfaction which has people hiding behind masks which disguise their inner failings, and their inner selves." - Rosemary Hannah -

Than you, Rosemary, for this thought-provoking Advent message. What 'Wisdom' finds blame-worthy, by an amazing Charity s/he even Forgives. What *Amazing Grace*, that none of us deserves, but nevertheless God offers - again and again and again. Thanks be to God! Even so, Come Emmanuel!

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Thursday, 17 December 2009 at 10:56pm GMT

A lovely piece - thank you. Really helpful.

OV

Posted by Ordinaryvicar at Friday, 18 December 2009 at 5:57am GMT

"Jesus avoided tit for tat, dodging it by wit, or evasive answers or silence"

Only when confronted with dishonest questioners ('Is John's baptism of God or of men', etc.), or people like Herod, who merely wanted an entertaining miracle. Otherwise he was quite clear in what he was saying, for instance in his interactions with the rich young ruler, the woman at the well, sermon on the mount, etc. Nicodemus wasn't tracking too well, but the sense of the passage was that he should have understood, not that Jesus was being 'evasive'.

"He did not give simple, clear and easy to follow moral codes."

Actually he did, reiterating the moral law and occasionally making it stricter than it was ('whoever calls his brother raca', 'whoever looketh with lust', etc.)

"When we are hurt, or despised, we very naturally want to hit back, to prove our worth, and to point out the failings in our attacker."

I agree. We should not engage in ad hominems against others, stick to the points at issue, and humbly admit when we are in the wrong, or prove our points by going to the text, without resorting to name calling.

"Easy moral codes are not wisdom."

Yes, but wisdom does contain many simple moral precepts. Jesus lashed out against unbiblical moral codes (Corban, etc.), not necessarily against straightforward moral principles, simply because they were straightforward.

I know we all come to the text with our presuppositions, but we should all be correctable.
Please let's not fall into the trap of trying to turn Jesus into our mouthpiece. If we truly lead Christ centered lives, we should read what He said very carefully before abstracting out general principles. Do we want to know what He said, no matter what that may be? Or are we only trying to justify an "easy moral code" we already possessed before coming to the text?

Posted by CAndiron at Friday, 18 December 2009 at 10:01pm GMT

" Do we want to know what He said, no matter what that may be? Or are we only trying to justify an "easy moral code" we already possessed before coming to the text?" - CAndiron, on Friday -

It's fairly predictable, CA, where you might be coming from when you speak of an 'easy moral code'
but what to one person may seem 'easy', to another may be a matter of life or death - as in Nigeria, Uganda or Jamaica.

The inference you seem to be making here is that somehow, merely being an LGBT person is to be outside of the 'moral code' of a Christian. A more astute reading of articles and responses on this site might prove an enlightenment to you in this area. "Judge not, that ye be not judged".

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Sunday, 20 December 2009 at 8:26am GMT
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