Comments: O Emmanuel

"The creation myth
which begins both the Torah and our Christian Hebrew bible"
Both? The Torah, the Five Books of Moses make up the beginning of the Christian bible.
Yes, Israel has done some nasty things, but it's not all one-sided. A portion of the Palestinian population still believes in blowing up innocents. So much easier to blow up a Bar Mitzvah reception, or a pizza joint, or an open market, than to attack legitimate military targets.

Posted by peterpi at Wednesday, 23 December 2009 at 7:41am GMT

How fortunate we are in the Church, wherever we recognise that the God-with-us of Christ in the Eucharist, is identifiable with the God-with-us in the everyday life of the world outside. It is when these two contexts are separated out - as barely reconcilable, that trouble is found.

This is why, at this time in the Church, is is so important to have the expectation of the real possibility of recognising God in every other human being - female or male, white or black, old or young, straight or gay - every person in every place being made in the divine Image and Likeness of the God-with-us. O Come, O Come, Emmanuel.

We who are baptized into Christ are so fortunate, that we ought to be such exemplars of the Love of God in Christ, that others may be glad to rejoice with us as we welcome Him into our midst in the Sacrament of His Presence in our churches.

When we behave as mean-spirited individuals, with thoughts only for our own narrow focus on God's plan and purpose for US, we so often neglect to think about the universal love of God for ALL people. Perhaps, with Tiny Tim, we could this Christmass pray God's blessing on everyone - even those we find it hard to love. Practice does make perfect in this particular area of Gospel living.

Happy Christ-mass, Everyone!

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Wednesday, 23 December 2009 at 9:41am GMT

I found this article intensely irritating - hence this cranky response (admittedly as one who is pro-Establishment, pro-monarchist, culturally conservative but Scripturally radical, National Trust supporting, Matins loving,Anglican priest whose ministry has mainly been in ordinary working class areas and who values "folk religion" but not the "Evangelical" or "eucharistic" sectarianism that too often now characterises the C.of E.). Who are we to judge between those who just attend, and those who have convictions, and how can we generalise about those who oppose the closing of particular churches - condemning their voices as "arid"? People value "the house of God" and "temple of the Lord" (as the Homily describes the church building) for all sorts of good reasons - not least often for God-given grace and beauty and historic associations, and I would much prefer to sit in a fine and beautiful church in silence than to suffer the nagging nonsense that emanates from too many pulpits, at least here in my sadly so often intolerant Diocese of Sydney.

Posted by John Bunyan at Wednesday, 23 December 2009 at 10:05am GMT

'A sword will pass through your own soul'

Not Mary at the foot of the cross, but Emmanuel as an extremely divisive figure disrupting family ties - husband, wife, son, father, daughter, mother, sister, brother. Nativity scenes are too familial and fail to reflect Emmanuel as he really is - not a unifier (as in the idolatrous Covenant) - but Judge.

Posted by Hugh of Lincoln at Wednesday, 23 December 2009 at 4:05pm GMT

Peterpi, although I will never condone violence against any innocent person regardless of who they are, there are times I when when the vision of Auschwitz and Gaza pair in my mind as the abused child growing into the abuser. A ghetto is a ghetto.

Posted by choirboyfromhell at Wednesday, 23 December 2009 at 4:17pm GMT

I remember an archdeacon whose mission was to close as many churches in his patch as he possibly could, in the interests of saving money. I told him that I thought it would be a much better plan to get rid of as many priests as he could and put the money into keeping the churches open and in good repair. On the whole, the clergy don't do as much go for a rural area as the church buildings do. They're not as beautiful, not as eloquent, not as faithful, not as enduring, not as loved, not as challenging, not as available. Get rid of a church today and you have lost touch with the past, and it will never be replaced. Get rid of a parish priest, and most people won't notice, and, if you need another one in ten years' time, you can easily train one up. Actually, in many villages where the priest has been dispensed with the community has raised up a non-stipendiary replacement. It's easy to scoff at our church buildings while we have them. One day, we'll turn around and find they've been taken away from us because we weren't sensinble of the danger they're in, not from decay and indifference, but from the failed vision of those, like archdeacons, who should know better.

Posted by toby forward at Wednesday, 23 December 2009 at 9:12pm GMT

Just asking: has O Virgo Virginum been displaced to Dec. 24 or has TA been absorbed by Rome?

Posted by Oriscus at Thursday, 24 December 2009 at 7:56am GMT

We are following the order in the CofE's Common Worship calendar. Indeed, _The Promise of his Glory_ in 1991 placed 'O Sapientia' on 17 December, omitting 'O Virgo Virginum'. The other antiphons can all be taken as prophecies and references to Christ, whereas this extra one is addressed to his mother. That's as good a reason to fall in line with the wider tradition as any.

Posted by Simon Kershaw at Thursday, 24 December 2009 at 2:19pm GMT

I thought I'd rewrite the feudal carol that celebrates a supportive attitude to differences, but then my personality got in the way.

Posted by Pluralist at Thursday, 24 December 2009 at 7:56pm GMT

Thanks TA for an inspired series on the Great "O"s. I have loved them.

Been reflecting in a slightly similar thematic way myself on

Posted by Alastair Cutting at Friday, 25 December 2009 at 11:19pm GMT
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