Comments: Bishop of Glasgow & Galloway

injustice and sexism; let the cry resound.....

Posted by mark wharton at Saturday, 16 January 2010 at 4:10pm GMT

Ah, journalists! The Rev. Canon Mrs. Peden didn't "fail," as if this were some sort of athletic competition, much less some sort of competition to be "female bishop." Had she been elected (a process at least we Americans understand), she would have been a bishop who happened to be female.

Posted by Marshall Scott at Saturday, 16 January 2010 at 6:01pm GMT

What a ridiculous comment from Mark Wharton. Does he know the people who were up for election? The guy appointed has far more experience and was elected with clear strong majorities. It would have been a serious injustice for him not to have been elected.

Contradicting all his cries of 'injustice and sexism' (I realise he might not be being serious BUT) is the simple fact that somebody who has only been ordained a few years has got on to the shortlist. That is a real achievement in itself for the lady concerned.

Posted by Neil at Sunday, 17 January 2010 at 12:03am GMT

Yes I agree, all the finalist candidates seem per the news to be well qualified; so passing off the news about the finalist elected by focusing on the qualified women finalist and second man finalist not elected give quite an odd tang to the journalist sauce. So far as misogyny or sexism goes, we all know we Anglicans still have oodles of these sorts of folk culture beliefs and practices, all throughout the global communion, not least arising in national churches where we believers are still struggling to leave a strong-closed iteration of a males first males only tradition behind.

This particular news bit reads like something from Ruth Gledhill, aimed at playing that old Eric Berne transactional game called, Let's You And Him Fight. The worst thing is the simplistic denial of one of our better Anglican vitamins, agreeing to disgree while we continue in common prayer, healing service, and varied Anglican witness.

Presumably, if Scottish elections are anything at all like TEC processes of discrning bishops, all the candidates went through an intensive scrutiny process which many ordinary believers would find too daunting to wish upon themselves. Bravo and thanks, then, to all candidates involved. Just surviving that gauntlet run might have been a backhanded test of faith and calling, whether finally elected or not.

Thanks goodness, thank God for all three finalist candidates?

Posted by drdanfee at Sunday, 17 January 2010 at 12:33am GMT

Surely, we advocates of women in ministry can live with the fact that not every woman candidate will be elected. To think otherwise would be to challenge the autheniticty of the appointments system which, in Scotland at least, now officially recognises women as authentic candidates for the episcopate - not necessarily always the preferred candidate. Fair's fair!

There will be other elections of Bishops in the Church, and women would probably not like, any more, to be subscribing to a culture of unfair advantage - on either male or female sexist preferences.

Posted by Father Ron Smith at Sunday, 17 January 2010 at 9:37am GMT

Mark W's comment reveals both an unthinking partisan spirit and a deep ignorance of Scottish election and discernment procedures, as well as the particular experience of Glasgow diocese. They tend to elect the home grown candidate because the last time them went outside the diocese, they elected a Charismatic Anglo-Catholic who opposed the ordination of women, appointed happy clappy and ultra spiky clergy who ignored local congregational needs, history and traditions (causing severe pastoral chaos), was beastly to his gay clergy and then after his wife died and he retired came out of the closet! In fairness to the man, he belatedly apologised for all the hurt he caused. Add to the that the fact that Alison Peden has been ordained for 8 years and has had pastoral charge of 1 church, then you can see why the candidate who has 24 years experience in 2 charges was preferred by the electors. Injustice and sexism had nothing to do with it.

Posted by Fr Dougal at Sunday, 17 January 2010 at 3:46pm GMT

It is a shame but there may well have been good reasons for not doing so this time, but the time is coming...

Posted by Richard Ashby at Sunday, 17 January 2010 at 5:32pm GMT

Contradicting all his cries of 'injustice and sexism' (I realise he might not be being serious BUT) is the simple fact that somebody who has only been ordained a few years has got on to the shortlist. That is a real achievement in itself for the lady concerned.

Posted by: Neil on Sunday, 17 January 2010 at 12:03am GMT

Well yes, 'the experience ' of ordained ministry hasn't been open to women for long at all.

Good to recall that 'experience' isnt limited to ordained ministry, nor is minsitry so limited.

I think we have to trust to the integrity of the process of discovery in the diocese


Posted by Rev L Roberts at Sunday, 17 January 2010 at 6:25pm GMT

Contradicting all his cries of 'injustice and sexism' (I realise he might not be being serious BUT) is the simple fact that somebody who has only been ordained a few years has got on to the shortlist. That is a real achievement in itself for the lady concerned.

Posted by: Neil on Sunday, 17 January 2010 at 12:03am GMT

Well yes, 'the experience ' of ordained ministry hasn't been open to women for long at all.

Good to recall that 'experience' isnt limited to ordained ministry, nor is minsitry so limited.

I think we have to trust to the integrity of the process of discovery in the diocese. Bishops who happen to be women are coming to these isles soon --surely


Posted by Rev L Roberts at Sunday, 17 January 2010 at 8:01pm GMT

The shame is that the Scottish College of Bishops has kowtowed to the Archbishop of Canterbury and has acquiesced to the moratorium, so there will presently be no gay or lesbian folks living in a same sex relationship whose name ever gets approved and proceeds to the vote.

Posted by David | Dah•veed at Sunday, 17 January 2010 at 10:33pm GMT

"The shame is that the Scottish College of Bishops has kowtowed to the Archbishop of Canterbury and has acquiesced to the moratorium, so there will presently be no gay or lesbian folks living in a same sex relationship whose name ever gets approved and proceeds to the vote."

Correction: No gay of lesbian folks who are OPEN, HONEST and in a same sex relationship whose name ever gets approved and proceeds to the vote.

Posted by choirboyfromhell at Monday, 18 January 2010 at 12:56am GMT

This also shows that when women are allowed to be bishops in the Church of England it will be much easier to appoint them through the present system rather than a "democratic "one. I bet a lot of lay women voted against Canon Peden.

Women bishops approved in Ireland in 1990 and yet not one elected. Shows how the electoral system can work against women.

Posted by Robert Ian williams at Monday, 18 January 2010 at 8:05am GMT

I'm not sure anybody voted against Dr Peden. I know many voted for Dr Duncan.

Posted by Rosemary Hannah at Monday, 18 January 2010 at 10:35am GMT

Surely where there is more than one candidate, you cannot determine if people people voted 'against' a candidate. You vote 'for' a candidate.

The canon provides for a vote of 'None of the above' which allows people to express their dissatisfaction with the presented candidates.

The Primus, in his TV interviews , expressed the view that gender was not an issue in this election.

See http://video.stv.tv/?bcpid=1610699553&bctid=61983516001

Kennedy

Posted by Kennedy at Monday, 18 January 2010 at 1:28pm GMT

A Diocese that is the first (I believe) in the British Isles to short-list a woman for Bishop can scarcely be accused of mysogeny! Dr Peden and Dr Applegate were candidates of considerable substance. Their attributes were simply overwhelmed by the respect and affection in which the Diocese of G&G holds its long-serving (long suffering?!) Dean, Dr Duncan. The proceedings of the Electoral Synod are confidential but I don't think I'm giving anything away by saying that his election was by an absolutely-decisive majority. So, please, don't spoil it with unfounded mutterings about sexism and injustice.

Posted by David Bayne at Monday, 18 January 2010 at 6:02pm GMT

As one of the electors in this election, there are many things about it that I cannot comment on. However, I do feel free to affirm strongly that gender was not an issue in this election.

There may be many ways in which gender is an issue in the church - the current gender audit which is being undertaken in the Scottish Episcopal Church may well give us pause for thought. However, it is my view that the electors of Glasgow and Galloway would have been just as happy to elect a female candidate as a male candidate. The electors were happy to hear about and to hear from three diverse candidates and made their choice on the basis of the information that was available to them.

Posted by Kelvin Holdsworth at Monday, 18 January 2010 at 6:07pm GMT

"happy clappy and ultra spiky"


shudder


Sounds as ghastly as wearing a lime green tie with an orange shirt and a purple jacket.

Posted by Malcolm+ at Tuesday, 19 January 2010 at 1:09am GMT

As I recall, it was actually a purple shirt and black leather bomber jacket. And, yes, the experience was about as you describe it, Malcolm - a ten-year shudder.

Posted by David Bayne at Tuesday, 19 January 2010 at 2:24pm GMT

"Their attributes were simply overwhelmed by the respect and affection in which the Diocese of G&G holds its long-serving (long suffering?!) Dean, Dr Duncan"


attributes overwhelmed by affection - says it all really!

Posted by fred blogs at Tuesday, 19 January 2010 at 6:14pm GMT

Why on earth should an admirably qualified and talented man be assumed by some to be to have been unfairly elected because another candidate was female? Frankly, Fred Blogs, you will go far and search hard, to find a more able priest than Gregor Duncan. When my children were very disenchanted with all things church he was one of the few who commanded their attention and respect and interest. To name but one of his qualities.

Posted by Rosemary Hannah at Tuesday, 19 January 2010 at 11:41pm GMT

Rosemary, I have no doubt that gender was not an issue, or that Gregor is a good priest. I merely quoted Canon Bayne's comment as a response to how i feel about this election - that the voting had more to do with how much people wished to reward Gregor rather than choose the best person for the role. As an elector, that will remain my view, until i see some real action and cohesion in the episocpal mission and ministry of this diocese

Posted by fred blogs at Wednesday, 20 January 2010 at 7:49am GMT

Short interview with Bishop-elect Gregor Duncan.

http://www.glasgow.anglican.org/index.php/news/entry/meet_the_next_bishop/

Posted by Kennedy at Sunday, 24 January 2010 at 10:58pm GMT
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